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Masterpiece: LIMA 604 Construction Shovel
varanusk
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Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2019 - 10:10 PM UTC
The LIMA 604 Construction Shovel from Masterpiece Model is already available.
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spongya
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 01:27 AM UTC
This thing looks great...
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 03:45 AM UTC
There's a bit of "sticker shock" when you see the price is $150, but it's a wonderful item.
Taeuss
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 11:07 AM UTC
"Wow" for both the kit and the price. And "Ouch" as an after- thought.
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 11:21 AM UTC
What are the Lima production dates on this vehicle?
I would guess 1959 thru 1968????? It can't be too recent as otherwise it would say "BLH" instead of Lima. Could it be as early as WWII? If it is WWII wouldn't you think the manufacture would come right out and say that as I would think this would enhance interest and improve sales?
Edit: After some small bit of research I find this IS a war ear power shovel!
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General hobby industry comment: (not directed at this model in particular.)
I have always found it frustrating that few hobby manufactures are willing to put dates of usage, or era, or a war time period on many of their kits. I have always had the impression they are afraid they might lose a sale to someone who otherwise does not know the answer if they told us exactly what date range a particular, perhaps little known vehicle might be.
Personally I would think giving clear info on the time period of use would increase sales.
I would guess 1959 thru 1968????? It can't be too recent as otherwise it would say "BLH" instead of Lima. Could it be as early as WWII? If it is WWII wouldn't you think the manufacture would come right out and say that as I would think this would enhance interest and improve sales?
Edit: After some small bit of research I find this IS a war ear power shovel!
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General hobby industry comment: (not directed at this model in particular.)
I have always found it frustrating that few hobby manufactures are willing to put dates of usage, or era, or a war time period on many of their kits. I have always had the impression they are afraid they might lose a sale to someone who otherwise does not know the answer if they told us exactly what date range a particular, perhaps little known vehicle might be.
Personally I would think giving clear info on the time period of use would increase sales.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 12:33 PM UTC
Quoted Text
What are the Lima production dates on this vehicle?
I would guess 1959 thru 1968????? It can't be too recent as otherwise it would say "BLH" instead of Lima. Could it be as early as WWII? If it is WWII wouldn't you think the manufacture would come right out and say that as I would think this would enhance interest and improve sales?
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General hobby industry comment: (not directed at this model in particular.)
I have always found it frustrating that few hobby manufactures are willing to put dates of usage, or era, or a war time period on many of their kits. I have always had the impression they are afraid they might lose a sale to someone who otherwise does not know the answer if they told us exactly what date range a particular, perhaps little known vehicle might be.
Personally I would think giving clear info on the time period of use would increase sales.
Hi, ALL!
I'll agree with Mike about "giving clear info on the time period of use" with just one small addition; showing these time periods MAY also help the younger modelers get a sense of the history and background behind each subject, giving rise to perhaps a desire to study the time periods and the technologies of these eras, themselves...
I'd like to see some more construction, industrial, farming, and forestry (logging) equipment that dates back to the turn of the 20th Century up to and including the modern-day era. Maybe there isn't enough interest in this kind of thing- It's just a thought...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 01:02 PM UTC
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There's a bit of "sticker shock" when you see the price is $150, but it's a wonderful item.
AGREED- The price IS a little bit daunting though, isn't it?
An older Bucyrus-Erie steam shovel might be nice...
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 02:10 PM UTC
I agree with everything Dennis said!
Found one for sale used that was built in 1951 so the shovel is a little older than I suspected.
Maybe they go back to WWII ???
Found one for sale used that was built in 1951 so the shovel is a little older than I suspected.
Maybe they go back to WWII ???
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 03:00 PM UTC
Diamond T dump with 604 - date unknown.
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 10:06 PM UTC
Dennis for the steam shovel you might have to accept a HO brass and/or resin model. I think they may also make it in O scale.
Here is something a little larger:
Working Ossgood Steam Shovel - ca. 1920
Western Mining & Machinery Museum - Colorado Springs, Co.
Mike Koenig photo - Copyright 2013
Here is something a little larger:
Working Ossgood Steam Shovel - ca. 1920
Western Mining & Machinery Museum - Colorado Springs, Co.
Mike Koenig photo - Copyright 2013
Tank1812
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2019 - 11:41 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThere's a bit of "sticker shock" when you see the price is $150, but it's a wonderful item.
AGREED- The price IS a little bit daunting though, isn't it?
While not in a range I prefer, if you look at some of the larger 1/35 scale kits coming out in plastic, the kit is in the range or beats it. Thrown in the fact that cottage industry and off the beaten path, I was not surprised by the price tag. Probably time for another thread but we cannot want companies to make something other then Tiger, Panthers or Sherman's, then poo poo them when they create something different and price the kit to make money. We should be happy the 604 saw the light of day in 1/35 and encourage more even if it's not a favorable price tag.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:07 AM UTC
Ryan I totally agree. Price sounds about right to me. Yes I wish it were in plastic but given the subject and limited demand that is probably a totally unrealistic expectation.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:11 AM UTC
The Ruston-Bucyrus RB17/19 Crawler Excavator from Accurate Armour costs more, a higher price tag AND the price is listed in British £ (1:00 UK £ = US $1:30- )
https://accurate-armour.com/aa-products/135th-complete-kits/k133
This one WAS used in WW II.
/ Robin
https://accurate-armour.com/aa-products/135th-complete-kits/k133
This one WAS used in WW II.
/ Robin
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 06:26 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Diamond T dump with 604 - date unknown.
I believe I have seen this picture in an article on the construction of the ALCAN, the Alaskan Highway, in 1942. There are pictures showing various shovels in use during that project.
jfeenstra
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 08:53 AM UTC
I do not understand why everyone has “sticker shock” about the price of this full resin kit? The pricing is perfectly in line with lots of kits of a similar nature from Accurate Armour, Red Iron Models, Balaton, etc. In all honesty, I was expecting a price over $200 when I first saw the picture.
And considering that many of the larger plastic kits from Trumpeter, Meng, etc. are over $100, I see nothing out of line with the price of this kit.
And considering that many of the larger plastic kits from Trumpeter, Meng, etc. are over $100, I see nothing out of line with the price of this kit.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 07:02 PM UTC
At the risk of sounding rude - Can we get off the subject of the price??????? PLEASE!
Just as with fine sports cars: The price to NOT the price. The price is simply the number of dollars you must part with to have the thing that you desire!
For a resin kit this price is perfectly aligned with other similar items in the hobby market and just today I paid that much for the new Trumpeter "Flaplid" Russian radar unit, IN PLASTIC, that I special ordered.
I completely agree with Jon's remarks: In the case of a resin kit if it is anywhere near as good as the sample photos shown here it is well worth the price.
For the sake of this discussion the correct time period, detailing and scale accuracy are far more important than price !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
Please can we move on?
Just as with fine sports cars: The price to NOT the price. The price is simply the number of dollars you must part with to have the thing that you desire!
For a resin kit this price is perfectly aligned with other similar items in the hobby market and just today I paid that much for the new Trumpeter "Flaplid" Russian radar unit, IN PLASTIC, that I special ordered.
I completely agree with Jon's remarks: In the case of a resin kit if it is anywhere near as good as the sample photos shown here it is well worth the price.
For the sake of this discussion the correct time period, detailing and scale accuracy are far more important than price !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
Please can we move on?
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 07:08 PM UTC
Moving on . . . . .
I wrote to Masterpiece Models with an inquiry as to the correct time period for this model. Here is their quick if incomplete reply:
quote
The 604 was used extensively during WWII, in the instructions (there) is a letter from Rick Lawler briefly outlining where it could have been used. quote
I immediately sent back a further request for more detailed information and for an electronic copy of the text from the instruction sheet.
If/when they should reply I will report back to the group.
I wrote to Masterpiece Models with an inquiry as to the correct time period for this model. Here is their quick if incomplete reply:
quote
The 604 was used extensively during WWII, in the instructions (there) is a letter from Rick Lawler briefly outlining where it could have been used. quote
I immediately sent back a further request for more detailed information and for an electronic copy of the text from the instruction sheet.
If/when they should reply I will report back to the group.
Tank1812
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 11:20 PM UTC
Masterpiece Models posts the instructions on line.
http://masterpiecemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/LIMA-Instructions.pdf
Don't know if that is the complete set as the information was generic on the last page. You do get to see more of the kit.
HTH
http://masterpiecemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/LIMA-Instructions.pdf
Don't know if that is the complete set as the information was generic on the last page. You do get to see more of the kit.
HTH
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 01:11 AM UTC
Thanks Ryan
Well I have now checked out the link above and the instruction sheet mentions absolutely NOTHING as to the first year the shovel was introduced nor where and how it was employed!
Well I have now checked out the link above and the instruction sheet mentions absolutely NOTHING as to the first year the shovel was introduced nor where and how it was employed!
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 01:55 AM UTC
Photo from a 1950's era Lima Brochure:
Provided by Masterpiece Models
Provided by Masterpiece Models
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 01:59 AM UTC
I did receive a response from Masterpiece.
They appear to have no knowledge as to the date of the first introduction of the 604. All they can say is that it was used during WWII but they have no other information on the subject.
They appear to have no knowledge as to the date of the first introduction of the 604. All they can say is that it was used during WWII but they have no other information on the subject.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 02:22 AM UTC
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 02:25 AM UTC
1940 dated advertisement for Lima shovels, cranes and drag lines.
Please note that boom design is different, narrower. I feel the model from Masterpiece maybe of a much later prototype, as the boom is much wider.
Please note that boom design is different, narrower. I feel the model from Masterpiece maybe of a much later prototype, as the boom is much wider.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 03:25 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 - 03:51 AM UTC
At least the model 604 was still built in 1950, as the manual page below sports the Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton Corp. logo. This firm was founded in 1950.
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