Reverse Post Order
REPLY
NEW TOPIC
ADD PHOTOS
SUBSCRIBE
_GOTOBOTTOM

 

Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
  
Hosted by: Jim Starkweather
Subject: Trumpeter E-50 and E-75 Annpunced
GaryGoreLocation: Ontario, Canada
Member Since: November 05, 2006
Posts: 250 entire network, 209 this site
Visit this CommunityCaptain
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:53 AM UTC
Just read on Missing Lynx that at the Tokyo Show they may have announced plastic E-50 and E-75.

No pictures yet that I can find. But the blogger on the DML forums seems to have said the same thing as well.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
John Osselaer
CALLSIGN: John_O
Location: Oost-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Member Since: November 23, 2007
Posts: 329 entire network, 206 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 08:50 PM UTC
This really made my day. I'm sooooo looking forward to these!!!

John
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"Do not allow yourself to be programmed." UR, Detroit 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Matt Flegal
CALLSIGN: ninjrk
Location: Alabama, United States
Member Since: January 26, 2006
Posts: 107 entire network, 98 this site
Visit this Community1st Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 02:38 AM UTC

Quoted Text

This really made my day. I'm sooooo looking forward to these!!!

John



If they follow Jentz and Bruce Crosby's research I will be thrilled. It will be interesting to see if they just copy the Cromwell kits or actually new tool them up.

It won't happen but nothing would make my day more than if they paid Jentz a consulting fee to actually research the thing beyond what's already made it into Panzer Tracts. At the least, I hope they read through Crosby's stuff on the net.

Matt
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
FirecaptainLocation: Virginia, United States
Member Since: November 03, 2006
Posts: 96 entire network, 69 this site
Visit this Community2nd Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 09:31 AM UTC
Anyone have pics handy?
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Joe 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
JDM
CALLSIGN: Berlin45
Location: Washington, United States
Member Since: June 25, 2009
Posts: 12 entire network, 11 this site
Visit this Community2nd Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 10:30 AM UTC

Just the bare blog posts so far that I can see...

More wishes- E-100 Flakzwilling (good one for Trumpeter)
(decent/modern) Ardelt Waffentrager
General 38(d) chassis
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
John Osselaer
CALLSIGN: John_O
Location: Oost-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Member Since: November 23, 2007
Posts: 329 entire network, 206 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 06:14 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Just the bare blog posts so far that I can see...

More wishes- E-100 Flakzwilling (good one for Trumpeter)



--> Well, let one of the brands start with a correct E-100. I spent months correcting the Dragon one to match the Panzer Tracts drawings. The Flakzwilling is pure fiction as far as I know. More interesting would be the Stug version. Actually most of these things are available, but in resin from specialist companies such as New Connection and CMD. And my problem is that it is out of my budget range (well, at least for a single model that is). I recently started writing down a whole bunch of paper and project panzers. For the Panther alone there must be at least 15 projects, then you have the 38T and the 38D which also carry numerous projects. What strikes me is that I don't know of many if any projects based on the King Tiger chassis...

J
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"Do not allow yourself to be programmed." UR, Detroit 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Kimmo Rajala
CALLSIGN: casualmodeler
Location: Hame, Finland
Member Since: February 04, 2009
Posts: 203 entire network, 183 this site
Visit this CommunityКапитан
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 06:23 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Just read on Missing Lynx that at the Tokyo Show they may have announced plastic E-50 and E-75.

No pictures yet that I can find. But the blogger on the DML forums seems to have said the same thing as well.



Oh boy, oh boy!!!!!............ ..... droooooliiiiiiiiiiinng...
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Kimmo Rajala
CALLSIGN: casualmodeler
Location: Hame, Finland
Member Since: February 04, 2009
Posts: 203 entire network, 183 this site
Visit this CommunityКапитан
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 06:27 AM UTC
Found these pics, don´t know how hypothetic they are, as both tanks were too:
E-50
E-75

I´ll think my stash will grow even bigger in future.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
JDM
CALLSIGN: Berlin45
Location: Washington, United States
Member Since: June 25, 2009
Posts: 12 entire network, 11 this site
Visit this Community2nd Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 11:27 AM UTC
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

--> Well, let one of the brands start with a correct E-100. I spent months correcting the Dragon one to match the Panzer Tracts drawings. The Flakzwilling is pure fiction as far as I know. And my problem is that it is out of my budget range (well, at least for a single model that is).
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I think that's why I'd like Trumpeter do a Flakzwilling (etc) in plastic, so it would be more affordable. Especially the 50 and 75... just wonder how they'll render the mysterious Belleville washer suspension... Cromwell's solution was pretty cool...

As for accuracy, that's why I like the Panther II, the E-Series, and the 38(d)... they leave a lot more room for 'what-if' creativity. Personally, I wouldn't spend much time making an 'accurate' E-100 or Panther II; what survived were prototype experiments and I'm sure far from what a 'production' version might've been.

Heh- as you can tell, I'm not much for rivet counting.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
UncaBret
CALLSIGN: UncaBret
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Illinois, United States
Member Since: May 11, 2008
Posts: 581 entire network, 506 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 02:49 PM UTC
Rivet counting on models of hypothetical vehicles seems somehow ridiculous.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
He who dies with the most toys, wins. But he's still dead. 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
ADVERTISEMENTS
tat baqui
CALLSIGN: tatbaqui
Location: Luzon, Philippines
Member Since: May 06, 2007
Posts: 281 entire network, 255 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:00 PM UTC
It surely is welcome news to have the E50/E75 available in plastic, definitely much cheaper than their resin counteparts. It would open opportunities as a plaftorm for other what-if projects. Am curious as to how Trumpeter will come up with the hull arrangement as all the pics available (what I have seen so far) are H.L. Doyle's side-view drawings

On that note the E50/E75 drawings referred by the link above would be off from what''s been on available literature. IIRC the designs (as drawn by H.L. Doyle) had both front and rear drives. Panzer Tracts though states that the choice was a rear drive.

Anyways the good news is that it will be available soon. Hope they come up with the Lowe as well.

Cheers
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Steve Riley
CALLSIGN: Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Member Since: February 20, 2007
Posts: 889 entire network, 837 this site
Visit this CommunityLt. Colonel
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 10:11 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Rivet counting on models of hypothetical vehicles seems somehow ridiculous.



I have to concur.

- Steve
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
I don't need you - sixty feet of bridge I can pick up almost anywhere. 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Brett Elphick
CALLSIGN: elph
Location: Seoul, Korea / 대한민국
Member Since: November 13, 2005
Posts: 210 entire network, 178 this site
Visit this CommunityCaptain
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 01:31 AM UTC



Quoted Text

Rivet counting on models of hypothetical vehicles seems somehow ridiculous.



I agree too. Why people get excited about tanks that would have killed more allies is beyond me.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"People ask for criticism, but they only want praise."

 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Matt Flegal
CALLSIGN: ninjrk
Location: Alabama, United States
Member Since: January 26, 2006
Posts: 107 entire network, 98 this site
Visit this Community1st Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:27 AM UTC

Quoted Text




Quoted Text

Rivet counting on models of hypothetical vehicles seems somehow ridiculous.



I agree too. Why people get excited about tanks that would have killed more allies is beyond me.



For the same reason that I would dearly love a plastic T29 or Black Prince; what-is and never were's are fascinating regardless of the flag.

Matt
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Matt Flegal
CALLSIGN: ninjrk
Location: Alabama, United States
Member Since: January 26, 2006
Posts: 107 entire network, 98 this site
Visit this Community1st Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:30 AM UTC

Quoted Text

It surely is welcome news to have the E50/E75 available in plastic, definitely much cheaper than their resin counteparts. It would open opportunities as a plaftorm for other what-if projects. Am curious as to how Trumpeter will come up with the hull arrangement as all the pics available (what I have seen so far) are H.L. Doyle's side-view drawings

On that note the E50/E75 drawings referred by the link above would be off from what''s been on available literature. IIRC the designs (as drawn by H.L. Doyle) had both front and rear drives. Panzer Tracts though states that the choice was a rear drive.

Anyways the good news is that it will be available soon. Hope they come up with the Lowe as well.

Cheers

My guess is they'll take Bruce Crosby's masters and duplicate them. Whether they will do the research to find out that Cromwell modified the tracks from what his research found is TBD. C'mon, they flat out stole (although settled later) the hypothetical E-100 turret for their model, anyone believe this will be different? I hope it is, I'd love for them to actually commission Jentz and Crosby to truly research the tank and make a definitive model.

Matt
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
GaryGoreLocation: Ontario, Canada
Member Since: November 05, 2006
Posts: 250 entire network, 209 this site
Visit this CommunityCaptain
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 05:49 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Just read on Missing Lynx that at the Tokyo Show they may have announced plastic E-50 and E-75.

No pictures yet that I can find. But the blogger on the DML forums seems to have said the same thing as well.



Here is the on paper shot of there releases. March 2010 so far,

http://2nd.geocities.jp/massgtgun/_gl_images_/PA091016.JPG

From what I see, they have the turret wrong on the E-50 and I thought the turret for the E-75 was the same as the E-50, not an Tiger B one with the longer 88mm L/100.

The turret from the E-75 could make for an interesting upgrade to a Tiger B, now only if they get the turret right, it could also make for an excellent July 45 Tiger B Upgrade basis as well.

The turret for the E-50 I believe should have the 88mm as shown in book "Germany's Panther Tank", so I guess I continue with my resin / plastic edition of it.

REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Matt Flegal
CALLSIGN: ninjrk
Location: Alabama, United States
Member Since: January 26, 2006
Posts: 107 entire network, 98 this site
Visit this Community1st Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:14 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Just read on Missing Lynx that at the Tokyo Show they may have announced plastic E-50 and E-75.

No pictures yet that I can find. But the blogger on the DML forums seems to have said the same thing as well.



Here is the on paper shot of there releases. March 2010 so far,

http://2nd.geocities.jp/massgtgun/_gl_images_/PA091016.JPG

From what I see, they have the turret wrong on the E-50 and I thought the turret for the E-75 was the same as the E-50, not an Tiger B one with the longer 88mm L/100.

The turret from the E-75 could make for an interesting upgrade to a Tiger B, now only if they get the turret right, it could also make for an excellent July 45 Tiger B Upgrade basis as well.

The turret for the E-50 I believe should have the 88mm as shown in book "Germany's Panther Tank", so I guess I continue with my resin / plastic edition of it.




Assuming that those are actually how the models will look then yep, I think they're basing it entirely off of Bruce Crosby's masters, or rather the Cromwell versions of them. There is no evidence that the KT turret was ever planned to be fitted, it was the same turret for both. I really hope that these are placeholders but am not expecting it.

Matt
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
John Osselaer
CALLSIGN: John_O
Location: Oost-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Member Since: November 23, 2007
Posts: 329 entire network, 206 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:55 AM UTC

Quoted Text


I agree too. Why people get excited about tanks that would have killed more allies is beyond me.



Ermmm? (erases long rant) I'll just bite my lip on this one. What a ridiculous and shortsighted remark.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"Do not allow yourself to be programmed." UR, Detroit 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Scott
CALLSIGN: muchachos
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Ontario, Canada
Member Since: May 21, 2008
Posts: 358 entire network, 295 this site
Visit this CommunityCaptain
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:40 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Why people get excited about tanks that would have killed more allies is beyond me.



You have some excellent work on this site. One that I remember clearly is a superb whitewashed Tiger I. When you were building this, were you thinking about the Allied troops this vehicle may have killed? No, you weren't - it's a non political hobby. Your statement, honestly, seems as if you are not a modeler, but one of those non-modelers who says "Why Nazi tanks?"

SCOTT
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Whatever you do, you'll regret it. 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
russ amott
CALLSIGN: russamotto
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Utah, United States
Member Since: December 14, 2007
Posts: 539 entire network, 385 this site
Visit this CommunitySergeant First Class
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 05:59 PM UTC
I was just at the E-10 and E-25 kits today and now I see this. I wonder how far they will take this idea? Maybe one day they will come out with the Schwarzwolf, the paper panzer that never even made it to paper.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
I thought virtue was supposed to be a good thing.

I don't want to return to the past. I just want to return to the past way of thinking about the future. -Ronald Reagan

 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
ADVERTISEMENTS
JDM
CALLSIGN: Berlin45
Location: Washington, United States
Member Since: June 25, 2009
Posts: 12 entire network, 11 this site
Visit this Community2nd Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:01 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Here is the on paper shot of there releases. March 2010 so far,

http://2nd.geocities.jp/massgtgun/_gl_images_/PA091016.JPG

From what I see, they have the turret wrong on the E-50 and I thought the turret for the E-75 was the same as the E-50, not an Tiger B one with the longer 88mm L/100.

The turret from the E-75 could make for an interesting upgrade to a Tiger B, now only if they get the turret right, it could also make for an excellent July 45 Tiger B Upgrade basis as well.

The turret for the E-50 I believe should have the 88mm as shown in book "Germany's Panther Tank", so I guess I continue with my resin / plastic edition of it.




Awesome- thanks for the link!

Also, I haven't seen that Tiger B turret concept, either... looks like Trumpeter is taking the 'muscular' route!

ps... that E-75 was inspired by the Popy Panzer Projekts gashpon.

http://www.mikes-tanks.com/images/RProjPanther01a.jpg
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Soeren
CALLSIGN: Gorizont
Location: Sachsen, Germany
Member Since: November 28, 2007
Posts: 478 entire network, 418 this site
Visit this CommunityMajor
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:08 PM UTC
Thanks for the link with the paper-shot!
Are there some more like this from Trumpeter and other companies?

greetings...
Soeren
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
in progress:
- detailing my s.10cm K18 "snow dio"
- soviet Venera-9 + 10 +14 Venus-landers (1/48)

planned:
? 17cm Kanone 18 (DAK)
 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
GaryGoreLocation: Ontario, Canada
Member Since: November 05, 2006
Posts: 250 entire network, 209 this site
Visit this CommunityCaptain
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 02:36 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Here is the on paper shot of there releases. March 2010 so far,

http://2nd.geocities.jp/massgtgun/_gl_images_/PA091016.JPG

From what I see, they have the turret wrong on the E-50 and I thought the turret for the E-75 was the same as the E-50, not an Tiger B one with the longer 88mm L/100.

The turret from the E-75 could make for an interesting upgrade to a Tiger B, now only if they get the turret right, it could also make for an excellent July 45 Tiger B Upgrade basis as well.

The turret for the E-50 I believe should have the 88mm as shown in book "Germany's Panther Tank", so I guess I continue with my resin / plastic edition of it.




Awesome- thanks for the link!

Also, I haven't seen that Tiger B turret concept, either... looks like Trumpeter is taking the 'muscular' route!

ps... that E-75 was inspired by the Popy Panzer Projekts gashpon.

http://www.mikes-tanks.com/images/RProjPanther01a.jpg


I think the 2 different turrets are purely a marketing thing. If you announce the E-50 and E-75 as seperate kits, you kind of need to make them different, but from the research the E-50 and E-75 are of the same design, just different armor thickness is all, so how do you model that? The next best thing is to use the same hull for both and use different turrets.

I kind of like the E-75 turret as it does have some other useful uses outside of the E-75.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
John Osselaer
CALLSIGN: John_O
Location: Oost-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Member Since: November 23, 2007
Posts: 329 entire network, 206 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 05:32 AM UTC

Quoted Text


I think the 2 different turrets are purely a marketing thing. If you announce the E-50 and E-75 as seperate kits, you kind of need to make them different, but from the research the E-50 and E-75 are of the same design, just different armor thickness is all, so how do you model that? The next best thing is to use the same hull for both and use different turrets.



--> Yep, marketingwise it makes the kits more attractive on their own, but on the otherhand it is not the first time I see the evolved KT turret on the E-75 chassis. There seem to be two lines of thought on this and some authors persistently portray the E-75 with the evolved KT turret. A couple of months ago there was a Panzerwaffe '46 issue of Trucks an Tanks magazine (TNT), a French publication and that presented the E-50 and E-75 just like Trumpeter does.


Quoted Text


I kind of like the E-75 turret as it does have some other useful uses outside of the E-75.



---> Yes, KT 1945... And I might be retarded enough to buy an additional one of these just for the engine deck and use it for yet another E-100, but this time with the evolved engine deck. And yes, I do need professional help.

John (prototype/paper panzer/whatif addict, but purely from a technical point of view, without wanting to hurt someone)
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"Do not allow yourself to be programmed." UR, Detroit 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
John Osselaer
CALLSIGN: John_O
Location: Oost-Vlaaderen, Belgium
Member Since: November 23, 2007
Posts: 329 entire network, 206 this site
Visit this Community
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
WWW
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 05:46 AM UTC
BTW, that 88mm L100, how the h*** were they going to stabilize that thing let alone try to cut a corner when passing through a town or city? Just seems a megalomanic, but highly impractical weapon....

And in the same line of thought, an 88mm in a Panther Schmallturm would have had more disadvantages than advantages...

But still fun though these whatifs.

John
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
"Do not allow yourself to be programmed." UR, Detroit 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Geraint Lewis
CALLSIGN: bizzychicken
Location: Wales, United Kingdom
Member Since: September 06, 2008
Posts: 707 entire network, 608 this site
Visit this CommunitySergeant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Monday, October 19, 2009 - 07:04 AM UTC
Just caught up with this chat, thanks John. If the E 50 and 75 had the same turret, then great marketing for Trumps! The late KT turret on the E 75 will find another home. Hope they got the KT turret right? The hull on the E 50 looks great. The 1st i've seen in plastic, awesome! Got to get me one of these. Where is going to stop! Who cares? Would be great if Mr Jentz was asked to get involved with some of these "Paper Panzers" It would make our lives easier, but then what would we have to talk about, find friends, delve into are research material, talk some more, find more like minded friends, etc etc. Just a thought? No it would be great if some of the Guys at the top of our game, be involved in the " What Ifs". would be nice to buy some SPOT ON'S in plastic.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Current projects Tam Stug IV cut and shunt Trump KV2 Dragon Panther D with zim BefehlsPanther and Tam Hetzer 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Herbert Ackermans
CALLSIGN: H_Ackermans
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Gelderland, Netherlands
Member Since: July 11, 2006
Posts: 1,999 entire network, 1,991 this site
Visit this CommunityBrigade-generaal
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 04:45 PM UTC
The 88mm KwK 43 L/71 Schmalturm had been mocked up in wood at Daimler Benz, proving that handling the long ammo was cumbersome.

Purely my own idea, but adding a rear turret extension like on the Tiger-B turret would provide some extra stowage space.

As to the hulls, well, those seem to match the HL-Doyle drawings. One could even get some variations on the E-75 as the running gear layout could differ depending on which company was involded, Weserhütte or Adler and the latter also had different approaches. An E-75 with 6 roadwheels was an option.

The E-75 turret shown on the Trumpeter board does match the July '45 Tiger-B drawings in the VK-4502 book by Jentz, so that would be a nice addition to the Tiger-B variations collection

But having not yet read Jentz' Paper-Panzers PT-volumes, I don't know exactly what new info he has, I do have the Spezial Panzer book by Spielberger.

I do get the idea that Trumpeter just took the E-series into plastic for that, to have them in plastic and cut off the expensive resin offerings. Their E-100 is quite laughable and copying a turret design directly from someone else without crediting, that's quite bad behaviour, worse than anyone can acuse DML of doing
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Current projects:
DML Tiger-B late conversion into final
DML Panther-G late
CH Panther-F
DML Panther-G Steel Wheel

All at the moment postponed until I've moved and settled in my new home! YAY!
 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Doug Dropeskey
CALLSIGN: Damraska
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: California, United States
Member Since: October 06, 2006
Posts: 507 entire network, 446 this site
Visit this CommunityMajor
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:26 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Their E-100 is quite laughable and copying a turret design directly from someone else without crediting, that's quite bad behaviour, worse than anyone can acuse DML of doing



Mike Rinaldi and Trumpeter came to an amicable agreement over that issue within a couple weeks of the initial announcement:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47211/thread/1195330528/Trumpeter%27s+E100+Ausf.+B+issue+resolved%21

-Doug
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost. 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Herbert Ackermans
CALLSIGN: H_Ackermans
This user has contributed written articles for Armorama in the past year.Location: Gelderland, Netherlands
Member Since: July 11, 2006
Posts: 1,999 entire network, 1,991 this site
Visit this CommunityBrigade-generaal
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:39 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Their E-100 is quite laughable and copying a turret design directly from someone else without crediting, that's quite bad behaviour, worse than anyone can acuse DML of doing



Mike Rinaldi and Trumpeter came to an amicable agreement over that issue within a couple weeks of the initial announcement:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47211/thread/1195330528/Trumpeter%27s+E100+Ausf.+B+issue+resolved%21

-Doug



I know that, but it still doesn't change a thing about what Trumpeter did in the first place.

I merely meant, that seeing that and the way DML gets criticised over minor detail faults, something isn't quite right and would be more akin to being outright biased.
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Current projects:
DML Tiger-B late conversion into final
DML Panther-G late
CH Panther-F
DML Panther-G Steel Wheel

All at the moment postponed until I've moved and settled in my new home! YAY!
 
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Matt Flegal
CALLSIGN: ninjrk
Location: Alabama, United States
Member Since: January 26, 2006
Posts: 107 entire network, 98 this site
Visit this Community1st Lieutenant
PROFILE
PHOTOS
MESSAGE
HIDE USER DETAILS
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
Posted: Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 03:39 AM UTC

Quoted Text

The 88mm KwK 43 L/71 Schmalturm had been mocked up in wood at Daimler Benz, proving that handling the long ammo was cumbersome.

Purely my own idea, but adding a rear turret extension like on the Tiger-B turret would provide some extra stowage space.

As to the hulls, well, those seem to match the HL-Doyle drawings. One could even get some variations on the E-75 as the running gear layout could differ depending on which company was involded, Weserhütte or Adler and the latter also had different approaches. An E-75 with 6 roadwheels was an option.

The E-75 turret shown on the Trumpeter board does match the July '45 Tiger-B drawings in the VK-4502 book by Jentz, so that would be a nice addition to the Tiger-B variations collection

But having not yet read Jentz' Paper-Panzers PT-volumes, I don't know exactly what new info he has, I do have the Spezial Panzer book by Spielberger.

I do get the idea that Trumpeter just took the E-series into plastic for that, to have them in plastic and cut off the expensive resin offerings. Their E-100 is quite laughable and copying a turret design directly from someone else without crediting, that's quite bad behaviour, worse than anyone can acuse DML of doing



We'll see what the final kit looks like but the drawings look exactly like Doyle's drawings and I have a sneaking feeling they photoshopped his drawings together. That said, the stuff in the Panzer Tracts seriees is pretty basic, no turrrets are depicted and the drawings seem uncheanged. My guess remains that they're going to copy Bruce Crosby's original E50 master that became the basis for the two Cromwell kits and hence the KT-1945 turret is there because that's what Cromwell did. If so, the tracks will be the Cromwell alterations to what Brucce researched but that's an easy fix.

I have no doubt that Trumpeter will clear all of this with Gordon Brown before they do anything, of course. . .

Matt
REPLY
REPLY & QUOTE
HIDE SIGNATURE AREAS
Reverse Post Order
REPLY
NEW TOPIC
ADD PHOTOS
SUBSCRIBE
_GOTOTOP
TOP
REPLY
 ACTIONS LATEST POSTS FORUM FAQ ADD PHOTOS

Advertise Here!