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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 - 06:37 AM UTC

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Conor,
Yes,I read about Von Lucks' experience as well. Great stuff.
Here you see I used the newer Miniart pouches and they scale out much better to me than the DML ones(which were the brand new ones btw)


I also moved the arms closer to the body. Dragon tends to have the arms too far out from the side and there is no way a person would carry heavy crap for long in that position IMHO

Here is the next guy before I make any alterations. He is from a pretty old Dragon set and you can see how soft the detail is. I chose the head(warriers) because of the facial expression



Romain,thanks for asking. My eye is getting better for sure. Don't want to push my luck and go right back to misery so a few more days off.
I hope your Krankenhaus stay was for nothing too serious?
Meine herzlichen wunschen fur seine gutes gesund,
J



Thanks a lot my friend! It was something, but now I'm OK!

How's your eyesight coming along?? I'm worried!

One question regarding the figs....the 3rd one sports a helmet that I cannot fully identify! Looks more like a US Kevlar to me than anything else!

Apart from that...super!! The second cap looks great too.
The MG42 is d..n heavy indeed. We are still using them here in the austrian army (calibre adapted of course).

Get well soon bro!!

Cheers

Romain




Thanks Man,eyesight is improving every day. It seems to come and go at will. I am sort of getting used to it now but it is still bothersome when it acts up.
Nice to see you're out of Krankenhaus as well.
The helmet is the standard Falschirmhelm. Doesn't look to bad to me?
J
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 - 06:40 AM UTC

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Jerry,

That guy with the MG42 looks like he's really suckin' and gasping for air. Great choice with the head selection and posing. The re-positioning of the arms on the ammo bearer was well done, too. He has that saggin' shoulders and tired arms look now that was missing.

Funny you don't even see how those little things can make such a big difference until after they're done.

This little vignette is coming along very nicely!

Hope your eyes clear up soon so that you can get back to painting. I'm looking forward to some up-dates on the Battle of the Bulge .50 cal group.


Yeah,I have found that there is usually something that can be improved with just a little study and re working after applying the Mk-1 brain. That was a small deal. The guy I am doing now is a whole different matter. I will try to post pix later today. Thanks for checking in bubba!
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 - 08:11 AM UTC

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Conor,
Yes,I read about Von Lucks' experience as well. Great stuff.
Here you see I used the newer Miniart pouches and they scale out much better to me than the DML ones(which were the brand new ones btw)


I also moved the arms closer to the body. Dragon tends to have the arms too far out from the side and there is no way a person would carry heavy crap for long in that position IMHO

Here is the next guy before I make any alterations. He is from a pretty old Dragon set and you can see how soft the detail is. I chose the head(warriers) because of the facial expression



Romain,thanks for asking. My eye is getting better for sure. Don't want to push my luck and go right back to misery so a few more days off.
I hope your Krankenhaus stay was for nothing too serious?
Meine herzlichen wunschen fur seine gutes gesund,
J



Thanks a lot my friend! It was something, but now I'm OK!

How's your eyesight coming along?? I'm worried!

One question regarding the figs....the 3rd one sports a helmet that I cannot fully identify! Looks more like a US Kevlar to me than anything else!

Apart from that...super!! The second cap looks great too.
The MG42 is d..n heavy indeed. We are still using them here in the austrian army (calibre adapted of course).

Get well soon bro!!

Cheers

Romain




Thanks Man,eyesight is improving every day. It seems to come and go at will. I am sort of getting used to it now but it is still bothersome when it acts up.
Nice to see you're out of Krankenhaus as well.
The helmet is the standard Falschirmhelm. Doesn't look to bad to me?
J



I don't know what's bothering me (remember....hard to put it into words ). maybe it's just the angle of the photo, maybe the hospital disturbed my view..?? but the original helmets I know and have held in hands are almost(!) level at the bottom edge.
Did they introduce a "more common looking" FJ-helmet later into the war that I somehow missed??

You know better for sure! I'm not an expert!

Glad to hear that your eyesight is slowly getting better!

Cheers to that!!

Romain

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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 - 08:48 AM UTC
I don't know Romain,maybe it's the angle or the lighting or something. I looked at them on the sprue and they look like they are OK. I just had to sand off the stupid raised eagle decal.I did sand off a tiny bit at the bottom where the helmet is supposed to be digging into his pants leg. Maybe that's it?

Anyway. Next guy up. As I mentioned earlier I had to do a lot more on this dude than just change angles on the arms,etc. Here I used what Michaelangelo said once when asked how did you sculpt that figure? He said"I looked at the block of marble,imagined the figure I wanted to depict and then removed all of the stone that didn't look like that figure".
Or something like that.
Here was the original guy:

Here he is now after a lot of plastic got gone. I still have to add the details that were not on the original guy,IE pockets,sleeves rolled up,etc.



He will be the bad-ass Speiss keeping all the young pups alive and in line.
Thanks for looking in and participating buddies.
J
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013 - 03:09 PM UTC
He looks like a total badass with just that face on him now. And whoa. I can't begin to fathom how you're going to build him back up. But as you've proved many times before, you can, and I look forward to seeing it.

You've got my full attention now, Mr. Rutman

-Conor
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 01:12 AM UTC

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He looks like a total badass with just that face on him now. And whoa. I can't begin to fathom how you're going to build him back up. But as you've proved many times before, you can, and I look forward to seeing it.

You've got my full attention now, Mr. Rutman

-Conor



Thanks for looking in Conor,
I see that I have to work on his arms a bit more. They don't look very good yet.but he is coming along at any rate.
J
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 03:52 AM UTC
First layer of putty on... I see I have to add some folds back onto his trousers and shirt. Also thin down the arms and add some definition as right now they have that old old Tamiya figure look.
I like the new Dragon stuffed map case. Nice. I need to find a good flashlight though. Any ideas? I could always scratchbuild one.


Still using up that lovely PE from Alliance. Actually I should get a few more frets of those.
J
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 05:07 AM UTC
Great job on the figures Jerry. Adding your own touches to them, makes a big difference ... as well as being more unique, it adds so much more interest. Sorry to hear abouyt your eye issues ... hopefully this clears up so these can be painted.
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 06:08 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

you ARE a brave man indeed! Not easy to build up a fig like this. Basically it's as hard as scratching it!

If you allow me ..in my eyes the shirt pockets look too superposed (?), or maybe like this...too "independent" from the shirt as a whole.
Since they hardly had any Armani shirts, it could do with a little more "volume" above the waistbelt, and this volume could join up with the bottom edge of the pockets.
Can you figure out what I mean???? Hopefully you can make sense of it!

Also I'm not sure they would have worn the collar buttoned to the top??

These guys were mere walking skeletons, so don't show them too fit! Months of tough diet (eggs were for propaganda clips only) and physical hardships left their traces. The photos tell a clear story. One of my university teachers was captured in NA and he showed me photos....he had to confirm his identity, I would not have recognised him!

Great job anyway m8!!

Will watch closely any progress!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 10:56 AM UTC

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Great job on the figures Jerry. Adding your own touches to them, makes a big difference ... as well as being more unique, it adds so much more interest. Sorry to hear abouyt your eye issues ... hopefully this clears up so these can be painted.



Thanks Frank,
I started out trying to build these out of the box but that didn't last very long. Since I can't paint I thought why not add some flair?
Thanks for the kind words,
J
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 11:03 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry,

you ARE a brave man indeed! Not easy to build up a fig like this. Basically it's as hard as scratching it!

If you allow me ..in my eyes the shirt pockets look too superposed (?), or maybe like this...too "independent" from the shirt as a whole.
Since they hardly had any Armani shirts, it could do with a little more "volume" above the waistbelt, and this volume could join up with the bottom edge of the pockets.
Can you figure out what I mean???? Hopefully you can make sense of it!

Also I'm not sure they would have worn the collar buttoned to the top??

These guys were mere walking skeletons, so don't show them too fit! Months of tough diet (eggs were for propaganda clips only) and physical hardships left their traces. The photos tell a clear story. One of my university teachers was captured in NA and he showed me photos....he had to confirm his identity, I would not have recognised him!

Great job anyway m8!!

Will watch closely any progress!!

Cheers

Romain





Yes,I get exactly what you mean. If you look at the original fig he has lost quite a few pounds already. As I stated in my previous post I am still adding layers of putty and so will add some folds to the shirt,etc. I started out with thick pockets so I could subtract more later for folds,etc. His shirt is open at the neck,it's just a lowsy pic. It will make more sense when I shoot primer on it.

This guy is still under construction for sure. He looks a lot thinner from other angles.
My intent with this guy is to show an older Speiss and he would have started out the campeign with a little more weight than the kids and so wouldn't have been as thin,even after all the hardship. He is getting there however.
Thanks for looking in. I would love to see the pics of your Prof.
J
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 02:28 PM UTC
Looking really good, Jerry.

This guy's face (at least in one photo" looks just like James Coburn in the "Cross of Iron."

In regards to a Taschenlampe, the only injection molded one that I can recall seeing was in the old Airfix "Multi-pose" figure sets.

BTW: How are your peepers doing? I hope you're getting better and can get back painting soon. I'm still looking forward to seeing how that Battle of the Bulge vignette comes out.

"Rot scheint die Sonne..."
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 07:49 PM UTC

Hi Jerry,

I too would love to see the photos again!! Unfortunately in those days you had no mobile phone to take snapshots, and the man died quite some years ago.

Now let us see progress on your Spiess please (I'll have to stop these silly injections!!)

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 01:50 AM UTC

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Looking really good, Jerry.

This guy's face (at least in one photo" looks just like James Coburn in the "Cross of Iron."

In regards to a Taschenlampe, the only injection molded one that I can recall seeing was in the old Airfix "Multi-pose" figure sets.

BTW: How are your peepers doing? I hope you're getting better and can get back painting soon. I'm still looking forward to seeing how that Battle of the Bulge vignette comes out.

"Rot scheint die Sonne..."




Thanks for looking in bro. Now that I think about it he does look like Steiner a lot! Heheh
I know you used to have an extensive collection,do you still have it and if so,do you have a lamp that you can take measurements from? I am pretty sure I have pics of originals in color from collections but lack the measurements?
My eyes have taken a bit of a set back. They were getting better and then yesterday took a dump. Thank God my vision is good,it is just a problem with the eyelids brought about by a few boughts of serious dehydration at Ft Bragg during that chucklefest called phase one at Camp McCall. Ah yes,fond memories of obstackle courses and sand pits at 3 in the morning and the gentle tones of Barry Sadler,accented by a grenade simulator around five AM every morning. Good times.
My 82nd Abn dudes are holding in their assembly area practicing barrel changes while they wait to engage.
Thanks a bunch for checking in and for the kind words bubba!
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 01:57 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry,

I too would love to see the photos again!! Unfortunately in those days you had no mobile phone to take snapshots, and the man died quite some years ago.

Now let us see progress on your Spiess please (I'll have to stop these silly injections!!)

Cheers

Romain



It might be worth it to contact the good professors' family and see if they are willing to share the piccies. Many times people are pleased that some one takes an interest in their relative and the sacrifices they made. For most,the sacrifices were personal and have nothing to do with politics.
No worries my good friend. Feel free to make all the comments you want. You never know what I may have missed and another practiced eye is always a good thing. I am,in fact,still wondering how to go about his shirt. I was going to add a lamp to the pocket flap but these shirts were light and that would pull the front of the shirt down more than I have anticipated. I would have to remove the pockets and begin again I think. We shall see.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 01:58 AM UTC

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Looking really good, Jerry.

This guy's face (at least in one photo" looks just like James Coburn in the "Cross of Iron."

In regards to a Taschenlampe, the only injection molded one that I can recall seeing was in the old Airfix "Multi-pose" figure sets.

BTW: How are your peepers doing? I hope you're getting better and can get back painting soon. I'm still looking forward to seeing how that Battle of the Bulge vignette comes out.

"Rot scheint die Sonne..."




Thanks for looking in bro. Now that I think about it he does look like Steiner a lot! Heheh
I know you used to have an extensive collection,do you still have it and if so,do you have a lamp that you can take measurements from? I am pretty sure I have pics of originals in color from collections but lack the measurements?
My eyes have taken a bit of a set back. They were getting better and then yesterday took a dump. Thank God my vision is good,it is just a problem with the eyelids brought about by a few boughts of serious dehydration at Ft Bragg during that chucklefest called phase one at Camp McCall. Ah yes,fond memories of obstackle courses and sand pits at 3 in the morning and the gentle tones of Barry Sadler,accented by a grenade simulator around five AM every morning. Good times.
My 82nd Abn dudes are holding in their assembly area practicing barrel changes while they wait to engage.
Thanks a bunch for checking in and for the kind words bubba!
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 04:16 AM UTC

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... I know you used to have an extensive collection,do you still have it and if so,do you have a lamp that you can take measurements from? I am pretty sure I have pics of originals in color from collections but lack the measurements? ...



Here ya go, Bra.

This is a variation Taschenlampe. The most common ones have the three slide buttons on the front for the internal green and red lenses and the blackout cover.

This one only has the single slide on the side for the internal blackout cover. However, it does show up in period photos, just not as frequently as the other type.

I've also seen both types painted in Field Gray as well as the black shown here.

The leather button tabs on this one are not real leather, but they're not PressStuff either. Still, they'er brown on the obverse and "raw hide" on the reverse.





The battery is the "flat" type with an orange and white lable. I could get you happy snaps of that too, but I assume "der Spiess" was wise enough to put a fresh battery in before he left the assembly area.

Happy modeling!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 04:54 AM UTC
Outstanding pix and just what I needed.Thank you very much. I understand there was also a version that was friction operated and thus needed no batteries?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 08:01 AM UTC

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Outstanding pix and just what I needed.Thank you very much. I understand there was also a version that was friction operated and thus needed no batteries?
J



yes, there was a dynamo-operated version, but that one cannot be attached to the outside of the uniform, unlike the battery-type which was attached to the 2nd or 3rd button or the shoulder strap button (so no need to "bother" the pockets ).

Regarding the pockets....why don't you just don a shirt with breast pockets...and put things inside. Have someone take pics...et voilą!! A bit like the traditional way of military painters using models.

I'd say the pockets would not stand out the same way all around, and that might help bringing them into the right perspective. The top could be flatter except one bit where something stands out f.ex.....just thinking out loud!!

You will find the right solution surely!!

Cheers m8!

Romain

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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 08:36 AM UTC

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Outstanding pix and just what I needed.Thank you very much. I understand there was also a version that was friction operated and thus needed no batteries?
J



yes, there was a dynamo-operated version, but that one cannot be attached to the outside of the uniform, unlike the battery-type which was attached to the 2nd or 3rd button or the shoulder strap button (so no need to "bother" the pockets ).

Regarding the pockets....why don't you just don a shirt with breast pockets...and put things inside. Have someone take pics...et voilą!! A bit like the traditional way of military painters using models.

I'd say the pockets would not stand out the same way all around, and that might help bringing them into the right perspective. The top could be flatter except one bit where something stands out f.ex.....just thinking out loud!!

You will find the right solution surely!!

Cheers m8!

Romain


Good tips all around. I have been meaning to start using pics of real life models but have just been too lazy to get it all together to make it happen! Of course,it would be the best option and I know for a fact a lot of the resin sculpters do it. I need to get off my ass once again.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 09:53 AM UTC
Found a bunch of pics of Luftwaffe tropical shirts. These are the best I've found. The group of guys looks very dirty and reminds me of how we looked after being at the National Training Center in the desert for two weeks without a shower. I have never been able so far,to replicate the look of really dirty clothes and the weight they have. They loose all of their crispness and just hang down limply.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 07:37 AM UTC

Great pics!! Especially the lower one shows exactly what I was trying to explain!

Breast pockets are not lying on top, but are integrated in the whole front.

Dirty shirts (sweat, soot, dust, etc) are sagging and folds/creases don't sport sharp edges. Definitely not easy to depict!

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 08:12 AM UTC

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Great pics!! Especially the lower one shows exactly what I was trying to explain!

Breast pockets are not lying on top, but are integrated in the whole front.

Dirty shirts (sweat, soot, dust, etc) are sagging and folds/creases don't sport sharp edges. Definitely not easy to depict!

Cheers

Romain



I know what you mean and am still trying to get there.
He is improving slowly and has dropped a few more lbs. More creases,etc. Thinner arms. I still have to add the big pocket on the trouser leg.



Anyway,a little progress.. I hope!
J
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 09:05 AM UTC

Hi Jerry,

You are on the right track, but boy oh boy, it's really hard to get the "feeling" right. I have tried to show the areas needing modifications IMHO:

front:



and back:



in short....he looks tremendously 3-dimensional, i.e. beefy and strong, like the usual TV-show marines you see nowadays.
Arms are too muscular (but you know that yourself ), neck is too short or too muscular (or both?), i.e too gym-like for a WWII german soldier (also his shoulders).

I am sure he will look great when finished, no matter what you will decide to do!!

Good luck m8!

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 09:22 AM UTC
I did plan on whittling him down a bit but remember,the Ramcke Brigade was mostly pre or early war Paras. Actually real paratroopers,not like the later German formations that had the name only. This old soldier is supposed to look different than the other guys in this vignette and so,I would think he would still look a little bad-ass.
Remember the pre-war Paras had guys like Max Schmelling,the one time heavy weight boxing champ and these guys didn't mess around.
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