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T84 hvss sherman tracks ww2
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 09:49 PM UTC
Just wondering when t84 hvss tracks were introduced during ww2? I'm modelling the "fury" tank from the upcoming brad Pitt movie and see on all the images on google and see they have the t84 tracks. The tasca kit I'm using has got a great set of t66 tracks. I plan on modelling the tank and tracks covered in mud, so I'm wondering if it will make that much difference
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014 - 10:33 PM UTC
Not sure about T-84 tracks but i have seen a lot of T-80 tracks on sherman HVSS, haven't seen many T-66 tracks one M4A3E8.
T-84 also fit on M26 and its called T84E1 if im not wrong.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 05:12 PM UTC
Yeah I've seen a few t66, but no t84 tracks. The way I plan to present it I don't think it's going to matter
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 11:24 PM UTC
personal i will choose T80 tracks casue it looks better than T66
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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 05:15 AM UTC
The M4A2E8 used in the movie had T-84s because that's what modern Sherman tank owners normally use -- their appearance on combat zone vehicles is an extreme rarity -- I know of only one pic of a single Sherman in Korea that has them on. I'm not sure of the fidelity you're hoping to model the movie tank -- but it seems you're already not planning on doing an M4A2E8 (per the movie) but a more historically accurate M4A3E8 -- I wouldn't get stuck on the T-84 vs. T-66 at this point.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 08:39 PM UTC

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The M4A2E8 used in the movie had T-84s because that's what modern Sherman tank owners normally use -- their appearance on combat zone vehicles is an extreme rarity -- I know of only one pic of a single Sherman in Korea that has them on. I'm not sure of the fidelity you're hoping to model the movie tank -- but it seems you're already not planning on doing an M4A2E8 (per the movie) but a more historically accurate M4A3E8 -- I wouldn't get stuck on the T-84 vs. T-66 at this point.



Hi Roy, yeah the pics I've seen through original ww2 references depict the m4a3e8 with t66 tracks. I also saw a reference last night saying t84 tracks weren't used during combat in ww2. I think il stick with the t66 tracks. Was thinking about some metal tracks but I think the detail would be lost in the mud I plan on modelling covering the tracks.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 - 07:35 PM UTC
Hi guys a little late, and maybe off topic, but I wondered if anyone knows if the M48 and Sherman M4a3 T-84 tracks are the same?

I, like the OP, would like to model the fury tank and would like to use T-84 tracks regardless of if they were in use at the time or not. However, trying to find a nice set of metal workable tracks is hard. AVF club and Tasca do sets but these are plastic, not metal.

Friulmodel for a set of T-84 tracks for the M48 Patton that looks the same, but I wonder if they are actually the same or if the size and spacing will be different...
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 02:51 AM UTC
Sizes are different. Being the 'live' nature of US tracks, Fruils aren't typically a good substitute.
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 04:09 AM UTC
IIRC T80 & T84 tracks only start appearing in ETO in the last month or so before the German surrender, so pics are indeed rare. They used a different drive sprocket, so you can't just swap out the old T66 track on the real thing. And these are much narrower than the T97 tracks fitted to the M48 tank, so that option won't work. (Even the T80E1 & T84E1 tracks on the M26/M46/M47 are different...)

Metal tracks on a Sherman are wasted, since Shermies have "live" track which does not sag - you are better off with plastic or even DS "rubber bands".
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 07:21 AM UTC

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They used a different drive sprocket, so you can't just swap out the old T66 track on the real thing.



The T66, T80, and T84 all used the same sprocket. You are probably thinking of the sprockets for T81 tracks on the T26E3 Pershing that were different from the T80E1/T84E1 sprockets.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 08:58 AM UTC

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Hi guys a little late, and maybe off topic, but I wondered if anyone knows if the M48 and Sherman M4a3 T-84 tracks are the same?

I, like the OP, would like to model the fury tank and would like to use T-84 tracks regardless of if they were in use at the time or not. However, trying to find a nice set of metal workable tracks is hard. AVF club and Tasca do sets but these are plastic, not metal.

Friulmodel for a set of T-84 tracks for the M48 Patton that looks the same, but I wonder if they are actually the same or if the size and spacing will be different...


No, M48 Patton tracks will not work on any Sherman variant.
The double pin tracks (whether steel or rubber chevron) used on the M4A3E8, M26, M46, and M47 were 23 inches wide. The tracks used on the M48 and M60 were 28 inches wide.
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 06:15 PM UTC

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They used a different drive sprocket, so you can't just swap out the old T66 track on the real thing.



The T66, T80, and T84 all used the same sprocket. You are probably thinking of the sprockets for T81 tracks on the T26E3 Pershing that were different from the T80E1/T84E1 sprockets.

KL



Hi Kurt,

Indeed all too often "IIRC" turns into "IDRC" (I don't recall correctly)...

All the Sherman HVSS did use the same sprockets!

Tom
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2015 - 06:28 PM UTC

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Hi guys a little late, and maybe off topic, but I wondered if anyone knows if the M48 and Sherman M4a3 T-84 tracks are the same?

I, like the OP, would like to model the fury tank and would like to use T-84 tracks regardless of if they were in use at the time or not. However, trying to find a nice set of metal workable tracks is hard. AVF club and Tasca do sets but these are plastic, not metal.

Friulmodel for a set of T-84 tracks for the M48 Patton that looks the same, but I wonder if they are actually the same or if the size and spacing will be different...


No, M48 Patton tracks will not work on any Sherman variant.
The double pin tracks (whether steel or rubber chevron) used on the M4A3E8, M26, M46, and M47 were 23 inches wide. The tracks used on the M48 and M60 were 28 inches wide.



What he said! ^

I had this kind of decision to make as well concerning my three M-47 re-work. A little research concluded that the sprocket dimension is the key. I'm going with at least one set of T80's and maybe a couple of sets of T84's...both 'leftover' inventory from WW2.
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