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Panda M1 Abrams- sprues
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Posted: Thursday, September 14, 2017 - 12:34 AM GMT+7

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You forgot the ESCI one



The parts breakdown and engineering of Panda's kit gives off strong ESCI/Italeri vibes as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 08:44 PM GMT+7

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You forgot the ESCI one


I didn't - I decided it's not worth to mention...



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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 08:31 PM GMT+7

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You forgot the ESCI one


I didn't - I decided it's not worth to mention...
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 02:22 PM GMT+7

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The fact that it's 2017 and manufacturers are still giving us 2 part gun barrels is confusing to me.


Considering that it looks like Panda used slide molds for the 50 caliber and the grenade launchers it is strange.

But the jacketed 105 in an M60A3 or M1 slick is probably easier engineered as two halves as opposed to three tubes. Though I would do the bore evacuator as halves to get in the thread and drain hole detail. They never get that right and especially not turned metal unless there's a ton of photoetch and other inserts. I was looking at my Dash-10 about main gun maintenance and refuelling.

My first gunnery on M1, I was put on bore evacuator detail for the main gun clean up. Loved that spin and drain, so much better than pull off and scrub.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 01:59 PM GMT+7
The fact that it's 2017 and manufacturers are still giving us 2 part gun barrels is confusing to me.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 08:50 AM GMT+7

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You guys need to move waaaaaaaay beyond Tamiya. There have been some excellent Abrams released even after the DML


We are all referring to 105mm gun M1 Abrams, not just any Abrams... And before this Panda release there was no other 105mm gun M1 since the old Tamiya kit.



You forgot the ESCI one
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 08:32 AM GMT+7

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You guys need to move waaaaaaaay beyond Tamiya. There have been some excellent Abrams released even after the DML


We are all referring to 105mm gun M1 Abrams, not just any Abrams... And before this Panda release there was no other 105mm gun M1 since the old Tamiya kit.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 08:05 AM GMT+7

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Call me crazy, but I'm loving this. Gotta be better than the old Tamiya version. That .50 cal looks a little out of wack though


Crazy James, it has a certain ring to it.

You guys need to move waaaaaaaay beyond Tamiya. There have been some excellent Abrams released even after the DML M1A1 AIM and M1A2 SEP. They both made the Tamiya kits obsolete, and since then Meng has released a FANTASTIC M1A2 and M1A1 USMC.

Everyone repeat after me: "Tamiya? Never heard of them."
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 07:46 AM GMT+7
thanks!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 06:21 AM GMT+7
It is a German color. You can read and see all about it at the earlier post.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 06:17 AM GMT+7
Is it a CARC green or different?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 05:40 AM GMT+7

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color option number #3, in current use in Europe.




Yup, those are stateside sand tanks that are overpainted in a washable/non-permanent green while on rotation in Europe as part of Operation Atlantic Resolve. There was a post about them here a while ago that showed them being painted by the crews with rollers.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - 01:26 AM GMT+7
Look under the turret, missed a spot
Removed by original poster on 09/13/17 - 05:01:09 (GMT).
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 05:31 PM GMT+7
color option number #3, in current use in Europe.

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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 02:37 PM GMT+7

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Hi Gino,

Quick question to you... For M1A2...have you seen any of them in Nato 3 tone camo ?

I am going to get the new Tamiya 1/48 M1A2 and thinking of painting it in this scheme.

Does the vehicle follow a fix Camo pattern or is it different for different vehicle ?




To back-up and clarify what has been said, all straight M1A2s and M1A2 SEPs in operational use (not at the Armor School - Ft Knox) were sand. In the last few years, M1A2 SEP v2s in Korea and Europe (EAS - European Activity set - rotational unit vehicles) were painted in standard NATO camo. All stateside M1A2 SEP v2s are still sand.



Thanks Gino :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 01:25 PM GMT+7

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It looks pretty decent to me. A basic M1 was just that, pretty basic. It looks to have separate sprocket halves to represent the mud release holes, separate outer rings on the road wheels to represent the undercut, the loader's and TC's guns molded in two parts and with separate mounts, good details on the hull and underside, etc. I like what I see.



simplified, much like tamiya's, the exceptions being exhaust grills and tracks. looks like one I'll have to get
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 12:25 PM GMT+7
Then it may need a new barrel. I am not sure if my sample somehow wasn't cool and the barrel halves deformed or what, but the whole cross section has a slight oval shape from base to tip
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 07:38 AM GMT+7

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Couple questions- would this have a no-slip pattern on it or was that added later. Also, would the periscopes have the anti-laser sheen to it or were they just regular armored glass? Thanks



Anti slip would start sometime after the first M1 IP's were starting to ship. We had an "IP" at work that didn't have the anti slip (out of Ft. Knox). I know they had it four or five months later. I can't remember the periscope, but think it did. It was painted a strait forest green with no markings on it.
gary


Thank you Gary

One more question- is the 105mm barrel really an oval shape or is it round- the kit one has a slightly ovoid cross-section



Wow! Your really working on this old man's memory!! The barrel was round, and machined from one end to the other. That particular tank was really the first time the public got up close to one. I do remember at the time that it was going thru a continuous upgrade as they moved thru production. No one knew the exact measurements of the tank, and TACOM made us bring it inside the building. No problem as the guys measured it, and said we had almost three inches clearance going thru the overhead door in the back of the plant. Everything in the building was brand new, as well as the building itself. Needless to say the installed the side shields and drove it thru the door. Can still see the huge door folded up ontop the tank! Had a good laugh over it, but TACOM wasn't impressed so much.

gary
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 12:26 AM GMT+7

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If the barrel does indeed turn out to be a bit duff, could a replacement be found from the M60A3 version - assuming there's an after market metal one somewhere out there?


Not a direct replacement, but one could modify a late type M60A3 barrel to work with M1. The problem is that only DEF offered that type of barrel and it is out of production

http://defmodel.com/catalog/htm/dm35015.html



Pavel,

Many thanks; most useful - I might keep an eye out for a couple.

Brian
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Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 12:22 AM GMT+7

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Hi Gino,

Quick question to you... For M1A2...have you seen any of them in Nato 3 tone camo ?

I am going to get the new Tamiya 1/48 M1A2 and thinking of painting it in this scheme.

Does the vehicle follow a fix Camo pattern or is it different for different vehicle ?




To back-up and clarify what has been said, all straight M1A2s and M1A2 SEPs in operational use (not at the Armor School - Ft Knox) were sand. In the last few years, M1A2 SEP v2s in Korea and Europe (EAS - European Activity set - rotational unit vehicles) were painted in standard NATO camo. All stateside M1A2 SEP v2s are still sand.
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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 10:52 PM GMT+7

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If the barrel does indeed turn out to be a bit duff, could a replacement be found from the M60A3 version - assuming there's an after market metal one somewhere out there?


Not a direct replacement, but one could modify a late type M60A3 barrel to work with M1. The problem is that only DEF offered that type of barrel and it is out of production

http://defmodel.com/catalog/htm/dm35015.html
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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 10:24 PM GMT+7
If the barrel does indeed turn out to be a bit duff, could a replacement be found from the M60A3 version - assuming there's an after market metal one somewhere out there?
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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 09:40 PM GMT+7
Jason,

I have a photo of an M1 on display at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, and it looks like the periscopes are just armored glass.
Looking forward to more info on your M1 assessment.

FWIW,

The Last Dinosaur
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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 06:42 PM GMT+7
Why is the left side fuel filler cap cover different from the right one?... Both should be like the right one.



Some XM1 tanks had welded covers with a tab on the side, but the tabs were on both covers (on the left side of the left cover and on the right side of the right cover) and I think the design was changed to the later cast version without any tabs for production M1s.

XM1:



EDIT: I just realized what the problem with the left cover is... The details of the cover are rotated 90 degrees... The "tabs" should be near the hinges, like on the right side, but are rotated to the sides. Fail! Luckily I have a lot of spare separate covers from Dragon M1 kits...