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Elefant SdKfz 184
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 05:48 AM UTC
When the Elefant was sent to the UK for display at Bovington Tank Museum there where voices of concern raised; so take a look inside and see what you think of its current location.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 05:54 AM UTC
Excellent quick summary of the vehicle and a fascinating look at a long-neglected relic. Glad to see they are returning it to pristine condition.
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 06:57 AM UTC
What were the "voices of concern" that you refer to?
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 06:59 AM UTC
There were a number of posts about 'it shouldn't happen' generally.
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 09:30 AM UTC
a while back this was featured on a British TV show - (Sorry, ive forgotten the shows name) - but they only tarted it up really and didnt do the interior or get it running .....shame , considering where it was and who was doing the work....
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 10:04 AM UTC
Hey Darren, did they let you walk all over their museum exhibit? Cool! Saw it myself last October, but didn't get anywhere near as nice pics with my cheapo phone camera...

Kev, if I recall correctly there's nothing inside that could be fixed to make it a runner.
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 10:34 AM UTC
First, it would be nothing short of a miracle to get the Elephant back up and running; the engine and electodrive components simply don't exist as spares anywhere making the task nearly impossible from a cost perspective. Second, as to the silly people whining about the Tiger exhibit: really? Why? followed by a muttering of "wankers" and other unprintables. Does anyone know if this particular vehicle had Zimmerit applied originally, and if so it's a shame that it was so thoroughly removed. Does anyone out there have any decent pics of the inside of the fighting compartment? I've got the old Jaguar interior set and wanted to confirm its accuracy before starting on it.
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 10:36 AM UTC
Oh, and I nearly forgot: thank you very much for the excellent pics. If I ever get around to finding them I have a nice series of interior photos of a Sturm Tiger that I'd like to share that I took back in '02 at Sinsheim.
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 11:52 AM UTC
Thanks for the photos . The Tank Museum in their Tank Chats section on you tube has a video about the Elefant with a few seconds of internal footage . Kind of reminds me of the inside of the Maus , all the small stuff has been removed,trashed or stolen leaving the gun breech and ammo racks ...pity
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2018 - 02:03 PM UTC
The Tank Overhaul episode featuring this Elefant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPA_murrUfU

At 26:37 they show the interior. It's gutted and rusted. It would take years and millions to restore. It's only on loan so it's going back to the states after the exhibition is over.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 01:57 AM UTC

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Does anyone know if this particular vehicle had Zimmerit applied originally, and if so it's a shame that it was so thoroughly removed.



Yes it did - I've seen a pic of it just after capture, covered in smiling GIs, with the typical zimm that comes about 1/3 up the casement. But rotting in a field for decades allowed the weather to soften it and make it fall off! (The real stuff is only glue and sawdust...)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 08:59 AM UTC
Kind of weird, don't you think? You can easily find interior shots of almost any German tank that you'd care to mention, but apparently not the Ferdinand/Elephant. What a shame. Oh well, the search goes on.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 10:31 AM UTC
Very cool,I got to see this vehicle in Aberdeen,summer of 2008 before they closed the museum.I seen it previously in 1988,back then it was simply painted gray.By 2008 they had restored it.

Anybody know where the Aberdeen King Tiger is,it wasn’t there in 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 01:15 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Very cool,I got to see this vehicle in Aberdeen,summer of 2008 before they closed the museum.I seen it previously in 1988,back then it was simply painted gray.By 2008 they had restored it.

Anybody know where the Aberdeen King Tiger is,it wasn’t there in 2008



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