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Modern US armor being unloaded from rail..
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 05:10 AM UTC
Cool video with some great shots, really cool to see the weathering on these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0dlovDgZM
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC
Did you see any rust or chipped paint? Neither did I.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 01:35 AM UTC

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Did you see any rust or chipped paint? Neither did I.



I acknowledge those vehicles look pretty clean in respects to chips, etc. But I am willing to bet these vehicles are recently painted. They are VERY clean looking.

Here are some photos I took a few days ago with the 3rd ID. These tanks are used regularly and just came out of the field. Lots of wear and tear. A weathering dream.

CARC does chip. And then once happens rust sets in. Crews DO NOT care about the rust. You will see lots of chips on the turret sponson boxes, front hull lip, driver's hatch. Many tanks have wear on the front fenders due to crews sliding off them to dismount. Even gun barrels show chipping from maintenance.



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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 02:00 AM UTC
One more with chipping and rust. Out in the field.
And one to show the Army lets occasionally lets crews have a little fun. This Bradley is from Viking platoon, thus the Viking shield.
Note the large chipping on the round access panel.



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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 04:09 AM UTC
Really cool! Thanks for that! I was hoping for some HEMTT unloading, but this stuff was neat too!

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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 04:42 AM UTC
The equipment in the video really looked fresh. The ammo support carrier had some oil spill stains and the was about it.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 05:19 AM UTC
Parsberg train station is used to load and unload vehicles on the way to JMRC. Usually, only tracked vehicles are transported by rail. Trucks travel on their own wheels between Grafenwöhr and Hohenfels.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 04:51 PM UTC
It's fairly old footage all the troops are in ACUs. ACUs have been officially retired this year. If it was with in the last 2 or 3 years there would have been a mix of uniforms. Great footage though.

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 07:39 PM UTC
Was taken in 2014.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 07:46 PM UTC
On Google Maps, you can see M1 Abrams unloading.
https://www.google.de/maps/place/92331+Parsberg/@49.1644964,11.7228825,158m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x479f9e8c556af55d:0x5588cbc4901de55f!8m2!3d49.1603469!4d11.7187275
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 06:18 AM UTC
Were the US vehicles painted over a desert yellow underground?
Returning vehicles from the Gulf?
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 02:05 PM UTC
Hi Ron,
several divisions in the US are permanently painted CARC tan. No matter if they are serving in Iraq or Afganistan. US Army Bri-gades frequently rotate to Europe, you can its REFOREUR, with CARC painted trucks and tracks. Army brigades arrive in Europe via Bremerhaven or Belgian ports and then touring Europe, e.g. Germany, Poland, Romania and the Baltic States.
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 08:49 AM UTC
Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 11:53 AM UTC
Surprised to see no chains, was this a tactical rail move?
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 08:54 PM UTC

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Here are some photos I took a few days ago with the 3rd ID.



Bob, what 3ID units are now in NATO 3-tone camo? I was tracking all 3ID units still in overall CARC Tan. Nice pics by the way.
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 12:23 AM UTC
Sad to see rust on the vehicles. It doesn’t say much for their NCOs.
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 01:35 AM UTC

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Here are some photos I took a few days ago with the 3rd ID.



Bob, what 3ID units are now in NATO 3-tone camo? I was tracking all 3ID units still in overall CARC Tan. Nice pics by the way.



Gino, these are the tanks and Brads 1st Bde returned from Korea with. Its been about a year and a half now. They go to Korea again next year after the NTC, and I don't know if they will fall-in on stuff over there again, or take these with them.

But Dan, these are a modeler's dream!

A funny little story on the rust and beat up thing. I have been visiting Ft Stewart for about 15 years now. I have been fortunate enough to meet lots of people who appreciate what we do, and why I like to cover things there for publication. They know I want to see dirty, used vehicles. Recently, when taking some photos for my HEMTT book I requested to see the unicorn of HEMTTs, the firetruck. The CO was apologizing up and down about the condition of the trucks since they just returned from deployment. The PAO just smiled and told him that I would be overjoyed.

Here are a couple of more interesting pics. A Frankestein 1-64 tank and a worn out 3-69 tank. Note again the worn fender from the crew dismounting. This is a very common look on USMC tanks, and not as common on the Army tanks I see, but nonetheless it is seen on Army tanks once in a while.



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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 02:50 AM UTC

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Sad to see rust on the vehicles. It doesn’t say much for their NCOs.
Dan



Dan,
I thought the same thing but not just the NCOs but the unit's whole chain of command is at fault. Having served in 1st BCT 3ID 2004-2006, the beat up vehicles didn't surprise me but the dirty ones in motorpool did. They probably had their reasons but it appears that discipline has slipped.

This post is nothing against your desires to photograph well used equipment Bob and I understand that this is a great reference opportunity for the armor modeling community. I learned, much via the hard way, when the equipment is used hard, it needs to be cleaned and maintained in the same had manner.

FWIW

John
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 10:05 AM UTC
An interesting point Dan and John bring up about the rust. Being a civilian, it's not something I track, but I have noticed, per the above.

I wonder if the fact that these vehicles I posted here are previously tan painted tanks has anything to do with the chipping and worn paint? Looking back at the photos I took of tan tanks they do not chip so much. Maybe that's because they were painted over a primer, and these tanks are painted over tan, which is turn is painted over primer?

I think if you study the photos most of the tired look is of the worn and chipped paint - not rust. But of course once the paint chips, then the rust sets in.

IDK...

To get the thread back to its roots, here is a pic of Trump's 4th of July tank and Brad coming off a flat car, after returning from Washington DC. BTW, they were very worried about caving in the underground tunnels and whatnot on The Mall in DC when the vehicles were there!

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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 12:03 PM UTC
Rob,
No army vehicles should have rust. This is easily taken care off with a wire brush and spray paint.
Very sloppy and does say much about the unit.
John, I was also at Stewart, but in the late '80's.
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 03:03 PM UTC
Jiminy Crickett! Again we have people, including veterans, making determinations as to a units discipline based on a few snap shots. Casting aspersions upon the US ARMY after a modeler shares some relevant photos? Get over yourselves. The most important stuff is on the inside...inside the Soldiers and their equipment.

I may be wrong, but, I bet that those mounts were watered, fed and cleaned well before the troops were. SOP may not allow for spot painting even if the paint was available.

My M4 didn't look inspection ready much of the time, but, it never malfunctioned in combat nor did I. I know that an M1 tank can easily accommodate a wee bit of wear.

Allen
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019 - 06:32 PM UTC

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Jiminy Crickett! Again we have people, including veterans, making determinations as to a units discipline based on a few snap shots. Casting aspersions upon the US ARMY after a modeler shares some relevant photos? Get over yourselves. The most important stuff is on the inside...inside the Soldiers and their equipment.

I may be wrong, but, I bet that those mounts were watered, fed and cleaned well before the troops were. SOP may not allow for spot painting even if the paint was available.

My M4 didn't look inspection ready much of the time, but, it never malfunctioned in combat nor did I. I know that an M1 tank can easily accommodate a wee bit of wear.

Allen


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