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A New Concept in Zimmerit
jimbrae
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:30 PM UTC
Interesting news for AFV modelers from Monroe Perdu Studios - a company better-known for its extensive range of diorama products with the release of: MPD051 - Zimmerit for Tamiya Panther G. Full details of this iinnovative development can be seen:


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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!

HILBERT
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:57 PM UTC
Never worked with Atak or even zimmerit though, but this looks very easy to handle. The result looks convincing

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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:59 PM UTC
Looks like a quite smart idea. Its a pity they didnīt include an image of the mantlet from the front ... a part that resin companies include as a complete new assembly.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:26 AM UTC
The Japanese company Show Modeling, did something similar years ago, I used it on the Tamiya Brummbar & still have a set for the Tiger 1, used Plastructs liquid cement to attach, was easier that the resin types for me and I liked the results.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:35 AM UTC
Neat concept and Idea. Has anyone used this and how does it stand up to multipile coats of paint and washes since its a form of paper?

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 02:01 AM UTC
Looks interesting. Seems simple to apply, maybe even I couldn't mess it up. Good question, though, about its durability. Would it deteriorate or tear if it got wet, and/or shrink as it dries?
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 02:23 AM UTC
Like Jay said, Show Modelling made a similar product about 10 yrs ago. Its drawback was that the ridges were too soft. Maybe Monroe has done a better job -- the pics seem to indicate so.

SOmething that can't be done are rounded shapes. Note there are no pics of the kugelblende -- if you look at the "crown" zimmerit piece, you'll immediately realize that it won't look realistic at all.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 03:04 AM UTC
If all you have to do is Zim the MG ball and mantlet can't be bad. Specially when you look at how rough the zim was applied to these areas. Looking at war time photos
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 03:05 AM UTC
I still have one of the Show Modeling Zim sheets. It was embossed paper which is why the detail was so soft. The MP product looks very nice and easy to work with.
I see no reason why it wouldn't withstand multiple coats and washes as once the first coat is on it's basically sealed. Kinda like painting on watercolor paper.
I'm going to pick a set up at the SCAHM's show later this month and see if I like it better than the Caviler resin type.
Good question about the mantlet and the kugelblende. That will be the decider I think.
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 03:44 AM UTC
We actually have this Panther set available for review, so if someone is willing to go all the way and apply it to a Tamiya Panther G (early) please let me know. Looking at the sheets they seem to be very high quality and not soft at all. Certainly the scale looks to be right on the mark.

Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 04:15 AM UTC
I find it rather expensive it has the same price as Atak resin zimmerit. This is the downside of all AM resin kits and this one makes no better. Pity.
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jimbrae
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 04:58 AM UTC
There have (inevitably) been a few misconceptions about this product. Some of the most common ones have been addressed directly by Michael Bishop, Primarily, the nature of the product. The thread on Missing Lynx can be seen:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1236253811/A+New+Zimmerit+Concept-
captnenglish
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 10:43 AM UTC

Quoted Text

We actually have this Panther set available for review, so if someone is willing to go all the way and apply it to a Tamiya Panther G (early) please let me know. Looking at the sheets they seem to be very high quality and not soft at all. Certainly the scale looks to be right on the mark.

Cheers,
Jim

Since Mike Bishop is local, I've actually seen this set in person and it's quite impressive. Jim I'm not much of an armor guy, but if you are looking for someone to review this set and you can bring it to SCAHMS, I can write up a review in no time. BTW, speaking of SCAHMS, did you get the PM I sent you pertaining to SCAHMS I never heard back from you and time is running short
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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:52 PM UTC
Great innovation indeed! But one thing puzzles me though - have they not experimented with plastic card instead? The advantage is simple: you can use regular model cement plus you can melt the edges down to the model thus removing the need to putty? (at times of course). Maybe the problem lies in getting the right plastic sheets in the appropriate thinnest - oh, what do I know?

Hope they've got enough research material to create multiple versions for a single subject - not all Panther Zs are alike - and a chance to create field-applied versions too! A great opportunity to expand the range! Hope to try the products one day.

Cheers!

Lawrence
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 06:24 AM UTC

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I find it rather expensive it has the same price as Atak resin zimmerit. This is the downside of all AM resin kits and this one makes no better. Pity.
spit


Sometimes I wonder why I even try.
jimbrae
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 06:35 AM UTC

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Sometimes I wonder why I even try.


Yep. I know the feeling. Welcome to the age of the 'Instant' Review...
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 10:28 AM UTC
Can I just point out that Spitfire, so spit, is his call sign, so not meant to be an insult or anything. So all he really said was that like a lot of aftermarket kits it is a bit expensive for him personally. No biggy. Remember too that not everyone on here is a native English speaker and things sometimes can come out seeming a bit more abrupt than intended.

So keep trying Michael, you know why you do really.
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 10:58 AM UTC

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We actually have this Panther set available for review, so if someone is willing to go all the way and apply it to a Tamiya Panther G (early) please let me know. Looking at the sheets they seem to be very high quality and not soft at all. Certainly the scale looks to be right on the mark.

Cheers,
Jim


If no one steps up to the plate on this, I would be willing to do this review for I do have the Tamiya Panther G Early Version in the stash.

Just let me know.
marcb
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 09:04 PM UTC
It looks easy to use,

However it seems like the vertical lines forming the squares don't connect from top to bottom, as in the real pattern.
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