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CCKW 352 - Hobby Boss with Italeri cab
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 05:30 AM UTC
In case anyone wonders how the Hobby Boss CCKW 352 looks with Italeri cab, below are some pics of my model finished today. The front grille is from Limes Model. Replacing the cab is not quite straightforward, because the frame is not the same shape in both kits and the engine is molded with cab parts in Italeri, while it is separate and attached to the frame in the HB kit. But as you can see the Italeri cab can be put on HB kit with some effort and looks much better than the misshapen HB part.

The cab in my model has been additionally modified to improve the shape of doors, as I don't like how Italeri made the upper edge flat, while they should be slightly curved. It wasn't easy modification, but I prefer the end result in my model from the original Italeri shape.

My CCKW tows the AFV Club M2A1 howitzer.





















More photos on my website: http://vodnik.net/pages/CCKW_105/cckw_105.htm
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 07:28 AM UTC
That's so nice. I need to do something similar.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 07:31 AM UTC
This looks really, really nice. Just because I don't know and haven't looked into it, what's wrong with the Hobbyboss cab?
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 08:29 AM UTC
Wow. That is great. Looks like the real thing!
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 08:53 AM UTC

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This looks really, really nice. Just because I don't know and haven't looked into it, what's wrong with the Hobbyboss cab?



The doors are too small.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/225302
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 09:56 AM UTC
Pawel, that is really beautiful. I like your subtle weathering technique. It is so effective. Your models really highlight the work you put into the build. I have read elsewhere that this is a needed fix if you want an accurate CCKW. Thanks for posting it. I am also happy to see you updating your own site again.

Regards,

Eric
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 11:01 AM UTC

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This looks really, really nice. Just because I don't know and haven't looked into it, what's wrong with the Hobbyboss cab?



The doors are too small.


That's right, but it's not just that: the overall length of the cab is correct, but the driver's compartment is too short, while engine compartment is too long. The proportions are significantly off because of that - for me it is very visible.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 12:17 PM UTC
Actually if I am not mistaken the Italeri hard top cab owes it's lineage to the old Peerless Max kit. Nearly 40 years old. Quite a testament for the original.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 12:35 PM UTC
Hi gang, I don't know if anyone is interested but I did the same thing with a Tamiya kitbash.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 12:51 PM UTC
Hi Pawel,
Great adaption! Congrats!
I remember from a comparison to a drawing in the tankograd TM, using the door length as a known references, the HB cabin was was ok as you say in one of your replies, but then the praised italeri cabin could be around 2 to 3 mm too short. Did it cause you any problem? Did you actually notice it at all?
Nacho
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 02:03 PM UTC

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Hi Pawel,
Great adaption! Congrats!
I remember from a comparison to a drawing in the tankograd TM, using the door length as a known references, the HB cabin was was ok as you say in one of your replies, but then the praised italeri cabin could be around 2 to 3 mm too short. Did it cause you any problem? Did you actually notice it at all?
Nacho


I didn't notice this problem. But there was enough problems to make the Italeri cab fit the HB frame, that 2mm overall length difference was easy to miss. And I usually start measuring things when they don't look right to me (which is quite often actually...) and the Italeri cab looks right. Correct proportions are more important than absolute size - as eye always identifies shape problems sooner than size problems.

But I just realized that I made one more modification to Italeri cab - I lowered boarding steps about 2 - 3 mms. I think they are too close to the door bottom in the Italeri cab, or at least they seemed to be placed too high when I test fitted parts on my model. I think it looks right now.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 02:04 PM UTC

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Hi gang, I don't know if anyone is interested but I did the same thing with a Tamiya kitbash.


Sure, show us! I considered it, but prefer the closed cab.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 07:27 PM UTC
Great job! Cheers, here, here!

I am waiting for the SWB with gun ring to get to the US and to come down in price a bite before I start mine. (Do not want to put any more money in HB's pocket than I have to for their messed up cab!) Will also be using the Italeri cab to finish off mine.
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 07:51 PM UTC
Great work Pawell. I like the subtle weathering and the job.
I have an Italeri one and waiting for the HB to do the same.
Thanks for sharing.
Regards from the south
Alvaro
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 08:36 PM UTC
Here's a few conversions that I did using the Tamiya chassis and the Italeri cab. It is not too tough!






And some other conversions still in progress:









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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 09:07 PM UTC
And the cab swap works in the opposite direction as well; Tamiya open cab placed on the Italeri water truck.

Vodnik
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 11:53 PM UTC
It has been pointed out that front facing reflectors should be amber, not red. I repainted them to correct color on my model already, but to save myself some work I altered my photos digitally - but the color on the photos still matches the actual corrected color on my model, so no cheating here
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Posted: Monday, April 18, 2016 - 06:26 PM UTC
Excellent, excellent build! Kudos.
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Posted: Monday, April 18, 2016 - 06:53 PM UTC
Looks great...time for you to bring it to market, I'd buy one.
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2016 - 01:40 AM UTC
Pawel, if you don't mind me asking, where did the ammo boxes come from? Also nicely done!
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Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 05:44 PM UTC
Would you please give me any advice/tips you can offer on bending that large piece of etch for the gas tank shield?
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Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 06:14 PM UTC

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In case anyone wonders how the Hobby Boss CCKW 352 looks with Italeri cab, below are some pics of my model finished today. The front grille is from Limes Model. Replacing the cab is not quite straightforward, because the frame is not the same shape in both kits and the engine is molded with cab parts in Italeri, while it is separate and attached to the frame in the HB kit. But as you can see the Italeri cab can be put on HB kit with some effort and looks much better than the misshapen HB part.

The cab in my model has been additionally modified to improve the shape of doors, as I don't like how Italeri made the upper edge flat, while they should be slightly curved. It wasn't easy modification, but I prefer the end result in my model from the original Italeri shape.

My CCKW tows the AFV Club M2A1 howitzer.





















More photos on my website: http://vodnik.net/pages/CCKW_105/cckw_105.htm



AN ADMIRABLE JOB!!!

I've done numerous ITALERI/TAMIYA CCKW353 kit-bash projects, using different components of each, plus a lot of aftermarket stuff; I really like the ABER PE sets- hard to find, but not impossible. I also really like the DEF CCKW "sagged" Tire/Wheelsets. I've seen enough real CCKW 352s and 353s to see that even when the Tires are pumped up to the correct air pressure, there is still some "bulge & sag" to them...

I MIGHT try an HB/ITALERI cross-breed, after seeing this...
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Posted: Thursday, June 29, 2017 - 09:43 PM UTC
What technique did you use to modify the Italeri doors to make them less "flat"?
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Posted: Thursday, June 29, 2017 - 10:57 PM UTC
Pawel, really excellent build and outstanding finish! Great model.
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 12:08 AM UTC

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What technique did you use to modify the Italeri doors to make them less "flat"?



The doors were easy - I just carefully bent the upper frame - actually it broke in half in one door in the process and I had to repair it. I made a new glass for the right side door matching the new frame shape (there's no glass in the left side one).

More difficult was the shape of the door opening. I first drilled a row of holes above the door opening and connected them to create a single long hole. It allowed me to push the upper door opening "frame" upwards to give it more curved shape. Once I reached the desired shape, I filled the opening with CA glue and hit it with accelerator. Then I restored the smooth roof shape with putty.
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