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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Ardennes M5A1s
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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2017 - 03:44 AM UTC
I am looking to build an M5A1 from the Battle of the Bulge/ Ardennes offensive setting. AFV club has an "early" and "late" version; which one would be appropriate for this setting?
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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2017 - 05:07 AM UTC
A safe bet would be the late M5A1, but that doesn't mean there were still some earlier models still in service. The M5's were not phased out in favor of the M25 Chaffee's, but continued in service until the end of the war.
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Posted: Monday, December 25, 2017 - 01:39 PM UTC
Both. Both were in service side by side until the end of the war in Europe. The so-called late production was already in service by D-Day.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 01:09 AM UTC

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A safe bet would be the late M5A1, but that doesn't mean there were still some earlier models still in service. The M5's were not phased out in favor of the M25 Chaffee's, but continued in service until the end of the war.


I made a typo. The second part of the first sentence should have read: "...but that doesn't mean there WEREN'T still some earlier models still in service." Curse you, double negatives!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 02:22 AM UTC

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A safe bet would be the late M5A1, but that doesn't mean there were still some earlier models still in service. The M5's were not phased out in favor of the M25 Chaffee's, but continued in service until the end of the war.


I made a typo. The second part of the first sentence should have read: "...but that doesn't mean there WEREN'T still some earlier models still in service." Curse you, double negatives!


...and here we all thought you were going to fix your “M25 Chaffee” typo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 02:48 AM UTC
The earlier version would probably show (more interesting) weathering - ‘wear and tear’.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 04:57 AM UTC

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...and here we all thought you were going to fix your “M25 Chaffee” typo


Too much Christmas cheer, or something!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 07:42 AM UTC

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A safe bet would be the late M5A1, but that doesn't mean there were still some earlier models still in service. The M5's were not phased out in favor of the M25 Chaffee's, but continued in service until the end of the war.


I made a typo. The second part of the first sentence should have read: "...but that doesn't mean there WEREN'T still some earlier models still in service." Curse you, double negatives!

You mean M24 right Biggles?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 07:00 PM UTC
In fact, in late 1944 some original M5 were issued to make up losses pending the arrival of the M24. Remember also that the "late" improvements were introduced over time in the production run and some were available as update kits for serving vehicles. Though not as well documented as Shermans there was variation in configuration. I'm going by the old Squadron Stuart in Action and there's lots of variations and often the tanks are so overloaded with sandbags and gear it's kind if hard to tell what configuration they're in outside of the mg shield and storage box.
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