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What Stuff Did ISIS Manage To Get?
long_tom
Joined: March 18, 2006
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2018 - 08:07 AM UTC
Yes, it lists things in Wikipedia, but I am not too trusting of that source. Anyone have better information?
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2018 - 08:29 AM UTC
You might find this useful: http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/search/label/Islamic%20State
paulie100
Joined: November 25, 2013
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2018 - 05:34 PM UTC
Thanks very much for the link, very interesting.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 12:12 AM UTC
In addition to all the Rusiian/Soviet vehuicles that the above article focuses on, they also captured a bunch of US-made equipment when Iraqi units abandoned them. These include a few Abrams, lots of M113s, HMMWVs, and some other equipment. Thankfully, the Abrams turned out to be too technical for them and they weere mostly abandoned and/or broke down.
Some examples.
Some examples.
long_tom
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 10:13 AM UTC
It would be neat to depict an ISIS Abrams, namely to show ISIS's failure to use it properly as described above. Is there an actual M1A1 Abrams out there which is like the one given to Iraq? Meng has an M1A1 kit, but I don't know much about it.
PzDave
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC
Or sold them to the Chinese
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 12:21 PM UTC
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It would be neat to depict an ISIS Abrams, namely to show ISIS's failure to use it properly as described above. Is there an actual M1A1 Abrams out there which is like the one given to Iraq? Meng has an M1A1 kit, but I don't know much about it.
Iraq received/is receiving 140 M1A1Ms, which are modified M1A1SA (Situational Awareness) tanks. They are modified for Iraq by deleting some of the most high tech features of newer US Abrams.
The Iraqi M1A1M includes the following features:
Driver’s vision enhancements. BAE System’s DVRC rear-view thermal camera.
A power distribution box on the front glacis.
A rear slave receptacle.
A tank-infantry phone that is mounted on the right rear of the tank, and can be picked up by accompanying infantry.
Other than the above, it looks like any other standard M1A1 tank.
All of these are available in more modern M1A1/A2 kits such as those by Rye Field and Meng.
Grindcore
Joined: September 23, 2006
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:31 PM UTC
Sabot publishing has a good book on Iraqi M1s, even comes with a decal sheet.
avenue
Joined: May 25, 2013
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 08:21 PM UTC
the article do not mention ISIS used tanks during Palmyra offensive and defensive operation.
Klaus-Adler
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 09:08 PM UTC
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the article do not mention ISIS used tanks during Palmyra offensive and defensive operation.
Palmyra is in Syria so it would be highly doubt full that isis moved iraqi abrams tanks to that location, they would most likely used some of the russian tanks they captured from Assad's army.
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HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 11:50 PM UTC
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Although I think a lot can ge depicted in diorama's ( being the one who, from a historic point of view, made an NSDAP-parade dio which is now on exebition in a museum )
I must say that any diorama depicting men who beheaded innocent people, executed them in the most disgusting way, raped women, threw gay from the roofs and are the main course and source the world is terrorised by attacks on innocent civilians is not very tastefull.
Sorry, but these "muslims" are murderous animals, not worth the time ànd money for a dio.
The same can be said for the Nazis in WWII but people have no issues with building dios of them. I think the issue some have is that it is a very recent/current conflict. To me, it does't make a difference. I focus on the vehicles and not the politics. I don't see it as glorification, but capturing history; good or bad.
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Klaus-Adler
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 01:05 AM UTC
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To me, it does't make a difference. I focus on the vehicles and not the politics. I don't see it as glorification, but capturing history; good or bad.
I concur, it's about modelling and not politics. I have in the past built a diorama depicting desh (isis) with a captured syrian bmp and it hasn't been an issue even when I displayed it at the Scottish national ipms show.
Although there are some people out there that are he'll bent on making a storm in a tea cup and will find any excuse to create a drama
arpikaszabo
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 05:37 AM UTC
Not the moral police again...
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