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Kubelwagen starter panther
ITALIANMLRS
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 12:26 AM UTC
Hi
Does anyone have any information(pictures, articles) about that device that allowed to starter the panther tank on cold weather?
Best regard
Alvise
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 12:35 AM UTC
Dragon released a kit of the Kubelwagen with the starter device years ago.
HTH-
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 12:50 AM UTC
Correct

If your goal is learn more about the device this kit is a good place to start. If you want to model it this kit has done it for you.
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 12:58 AM UTC


Hi All,

Problem with the Dragon cold weather starter is finding it and when they pop up on ebay, which is not very often they are very expensive, I have been after one for a number of years without any luck...….

Jason
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 01:04 AM UTC
If I remember correctly, the parts to transform the kubel are included in the engine set for the SD. Kfz. 250 with mechanics, in the figures sprue

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10328422

Yes, they are there...
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 01:07 AM UTC
Question: Did the Kubel "starting assist device" actually mechanically connect to the engine to turn it over? OR was it simply a power device to run the Tiger's flywheel inertial starting equipment up to speed?
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 01:30 AM UTC



Images found online.
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 01:34 AM UTC



Images found online.
ITALIANMLRS
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 03:30 AM UTC
I know there are 2kits from Dragon model...but i'm intresting to learn the history behind the device, the name of it, i didn't find photos of it, there Is a book where Is talk about It. I'M not interested to the kits.
Alvise
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 03:42 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Question: Did the Kubel "starting assist device" actually mechanically connect to the engine to turn it over? OR was it simply a power device to run the Tiger's flywheel inertial starting equipment up to speed?


It would appear that the shaft from the Kubelwagen connects to the same location as the hand crank . If that was the case it is a near certainty that it was a power device to spin up the inertial starter.
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 06:04 AM UTC

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i'm intresting to learn the history behind the device, the name of it,


It's called "Anwerfgetriebe Typ 198 für Kfz-Motoren (am le Pkw K 1, Typ 82)".




H.P.
ITALIANMLRS
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 07:33 AM UTC
H.P Can You send the photos on my email?
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 07:39 AM UTC
It would be faster for you to right-click on them and save them to your hard drive.

H.P.
ITALIANMLRS
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 08:07 AM UTC
Ok...well... thanks!
Alvise
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Posted: Sunday, September 02, 2018 - 08:29 AM UTC
You're welcome

You can order the related technical manual - if needed - here :

http://wh-versand.de/Artikel_Dv/2063519.html

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 12:46 PM UTC
Just attempting to add a bit of contrast to Frenchy's tech manual photographs.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 02:35 PM UTC
FYI in typical Dragon style, if you can find the Sd. Kfz 250 engine and mechanics set, it is actually the Kubelwagen starter kit with extra arms on the figure sprues for the "new" figures.

So if you can get a Bego/Hasegawa/Dragon Kubelwagen you are set.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - 04:19 PM UTC

Quoted Text

FYI in typical Dragon style, if you can find the Sd. Kfz 250 engine and mechanics set, it is actually the Kubelwagen starter kit with extra arms on the figure sprues for the "new" figures.



That was mentioned in the fourth reply, along with a link to the kit itself.
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Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2018 - 01:38 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

FYI in typical Dragon style, if you can find the Sd. Kfz 250 engine and mechanics set, it is actually the Kubelwagen starter kit with extra arms on the figure sprues for the "new" figures.



That was mentioned in the fourth reply, along with a link to the kit itself.




Sorry for offending lol
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