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Syrian Pz IV machine gun mount
T-55A5
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 01:55 PM UTC
Does anyone make a machine gun conversion mount for the Syrian panzer IV

I have the Tamiya kit, just looking for a machine gun mount conversion, if one is made

Billy

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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 02:38 PM UTC
MR Modellbau has a Syrian PzIV conversion (MR-35174) that includes the cupola, mount and DShK, along with all the extra stowage boxes and such that the Syrian vehicles had. I highly recommend this set if you are building one as it does pretty much allow you to build any variation of stowage seen on the Syrian vehicles. IPMS USA has review on their site.

There is also one in the Dragon Syrian PzIV kit of course - maybe DragonCares will see the parts?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 04:04 PM UTC
Who sells it?

Can't find any for sale

Billy


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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 04:47 PM UTC
Hi, Accurate Armour here in the UK also do this.

Regards Jason
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 07:22 PM UTC

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Who sells it?


https://www.mrmodellbau.com/1-35-MR-Models/Komplettmodelle-Umbausaetze/Syrische-Armee/MR-35174-Panzer-IV-der-syrischen-Armee::139.html

H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 08:00 PM UTC
I know FC Modeltrends has one for the T34.Used it on an Academy kit couple years afore Dragon got the idea. Check with them.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 12:16 AM UTC
The machine gun used on the syrian Panzer IVs should propably be the italian Breda-Safat rather than the soviet DSHK. One of the very few pictures showing a syrian Panzer IV with the AAMG mounted show this, as can be seen on the picture below. FC Model Trend has this gun in 1/35 btw.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 12:56 AM UTC

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I know FC Modeltrends has one for the T34.Used it on an Academy kit couple years afore Dragon got the idea. Check with them.


The mount used on the T—34/85 is very different from the one used on the Pzkpfw IV.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 02:24 AM UTC
Any hi-res photos? Looks like a not all that hard afternoon project. I myself have been wanting to do this for years. Dragon does't exactly have the best reputation...
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 03:28 AM UTC

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Any hi-res photos? Looks like a not all that hard afternoon project. I myself have been wanting to do this for years. Dragon does't exactly have the best reputation...

From past experience I wouldn't count on buying parts from Dragon Care!
jfeenstra
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 03:34 AM UTC

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Hi, Accurate Armour here in the UK also do this.

Regards Jason


I've looked through AA's site but cannot find this. Could you please provide a stock/item number?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 06:54 AM UTC

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Any hi-res photos? Looks like a not all that hard afternoon project. I myself have been wanting to do this for years. Dragon does't exactly have the best reputation...


Here are some pictures of the AAMG mount:
http://www.modelersite.com/JuL2002/English/PanzerIV_Eng.htm

Exellent quality clip showing syrian Panzer IVs on parade btw, from around 0:58:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cEQ0q9AqA
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 10:11 AM UTC
One in this kit- https://www.scalemates.com/kits/dragon-3593-arab-panzer-iv--1076376
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 10:23 AM UTC

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Any hi-res photos? Looks like a not all that hard afternoon project. I myself have been wanting to do this for years. Dragon does't exactly have the best reputation...


Here are some pictures of the AAMG mount:
http://www.modelersite.com/JuL2002/English/PanzerIV_Eng.htm

Exellent quality clip showing syrian Panzer IVs on parade btw, from around 0:58:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cEQ0q9AqA


Great video of the PzIVs and StuGs (plus the T-34/85s, which don't carry the cupola MG mount). As you noted above, the PzIVs are carrying the Breda Sufat MG, but interesting that the StuGs have the twin ammo boxes mounted, the PzIVs have none.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 10:56 AM UTC
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Io5IwRqx&id=CE3FC16072AD73EC150B317E21022EE85E426F5F&thid=OIP.Io5IwRqx1jqiVokIhs1tFwHaE4&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2f1.bp.blogspot.com%2f-yxIzpeSF3q4%2fUtq9auJgTJI%2fAAAAAAAABWk%2fgY408FjlRDQ%2fs1600%2f15681791.jpg&exph=1056&expw=1600&q=syrian+t34&simid=608016615407226253&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 10:59 AM UTC
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=M8psUAUD&id=CE3FC16072AD73EC150B6A380A0338C37EED8876&thid=OIP.M8psUAUDxLrn0ho6WJnqWgHaFq&mediaurl=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-yIOepwurvgs%2FUtq97841s2I%2FAAAAAAAABXo%2FNdr26BJPw8w%2Fs1600%2F1967t34largekj2.jpg&exph=490&expw=640&q=syrian+t34&simid=608014154408134656&selectedindex=21&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&sim=11
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 03:10 AM UTC
Hi,

they have had one for about 15 years but looks like its discontinued. Maybe try contacting them.

Regards Jason
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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2020 - 08:00 AM UTC
Sprues from the Dragon syrian Pz-IV can be found for sale on ebay btw, search for: Dragon 1/35th Scale ARAB Panzer IV.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 - 11:13 AM UTC
Can the color plates in books like Concord Publication be trusted

I found a color plate in Tank Battles of the Mid-east wars by Concord Publication that shows a Panzer 4H with a T-34/85 AA machine gun mount

If accurate I'm going to use the mg mount in a old Egyptian/Syrian conversion set

Billy

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