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wbill76
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 01:51 PM UTC
Christer Johansson (Roy) presents his build of the 1/35 Trumpeter Challenger II in combination with Lion Roar PE. The vehicle has been desertized and was finished with a combination of Tamiya and Gunze Sangyo paints and weathered with Mig pigments.

Challenger II On Display



If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
Bleak
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Calvados, France
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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 11:30 AM UTC
Eh ! I finished my Trumpeter Challenger II tank yesterday !
I'm not mad of any weathering but you made some good work...
panzerkampfw
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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 12:55 PM UTC
im not usually the critic person at all and i do hate the ppl who critique peoples build, however, i think you went overboard on the weathering. I like the color of the tank
Bleak
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 12:46 AM UTC

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im not usually the critic person at all and i do hate the ppl who critique peoples build, however, i think you went overboard on the weathering. I like the color of the tank



I understant, but it's still better than saying to someone that his build is fantastic when you just don't feel it... I still believe that critics help more than simple flattery... Plus I agree with you for the weathering...

To go further, this kit have some defect and a vigourous weathering could fix them... Did you try to do that ?
Calahan
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 01:24 AM UTC
Something I learned in college is called "constructive criticism." There is nothing wrong expressing your negative opinion on something - just as long as you can justify it. Just don't forget to suggest ways to improve it - rather than letting the cretique be one-sided.

I agree with the over-done weathering. It is very distracting, however, you do seem to have the technique down. Just don't overkill it next time. A few scratches here & there at high-use areas would suffice. Pictures of battle worn tanks have only a fraction of the weathering and effects we modelers like to add. I would call it "hyper-realism"

Calahan
Roy
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 01:46 AM UTC
My “too chipped” Challenger II

By: Christer (Roy) Johansson

Starting point
When photos of the British Challenger II in sand yellow color started to show from Iraq in 2003, I knew I had to build one. The tank is the desertised 1:35 version from Trumpeter (OP. Telic) Iraq. I also bought etched brass from LionRoar to the Trumpeter version. This was my first desert chipped tank experiment.

Build and paint
Assembling the hull on this tank is OK, but the turret is a little tricky (there are reviews and articles that explain this boring part). Why not start complaining? No, if you are really devoted to this kind of hobby, you solve it and continue. The LionRoar brass kit provides a nice mantlet for the gun, thermal sight for the commander, rectangular boxes and mesh for the rear hull. I skipped the CIP-panels in brass, and used the original from the box.

Airbrushing! First, I painted the entire tank in Tamiya XF61 Dark Green. After that, masking with Maskol from Humbrol to get the chipping effect on the desert color. I cut a small rope dipped the end of it in the Maskol and applied it mainly on the edges and on some more “used” surfaces. I let it dry and removed some “dots” until I was satisfied. The first layer of the overall color is a mix of Gunze Sangyo 313 Yellow (90%) and Tamiya XF15 Flat Flesh (10%). The second layer of the overall color is applied in a more irregular pattern with the mix Gunze Sangyo 313 Yellow (90%) and Tamiya XF1 white (10%). The Maskol was “rapidly” removed from the tank, mainly with rubber gloves, and some other tools.

Decals and weathering
Its was time for the decals! I used one version provided with the kit. They were applied Micro Sol and Set, no problem there. The Micro Set liquid, if applied before previous color has dried, can have some detergent chipping effects!

The weathering is mainly a misty airbrush layer of the Tamiya XF57 Buff. I also tested some MIG-pigment such as P027 Light Dust and P030 Beach Sand. I applied the pigment with a dry brush.

Conclusion
Yes, I got too exited with the Maskol-chipping experiment, and promise in the future to better..... And constructive critisism is perfect!!!! But the rest of you with only critisism.... yes... hmmmm....

Best regards
/Christer
Bleak
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 02:14 AM UTC

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Something I learned in college is called "constructive criticism."



Exactly !


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And constructive critisism is perfect!!!! But the rest of you with only critisism.... yes... hmmmm....



The rest of you with only critisism ? I think that everyone here showed respect to your work, the build is really good, the weathering is maybe the only negative point because overdone, that's all...
Roy
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Alvsborgs, Sweden
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 04:24 AM UTC
I feel respect in your comments! A good way to improve your technics is to get feedback with some suggestions how to do it the next time. This is a positive way.

Calahan has already made the point:

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There is nothing wrong expressing your negative opinion on something - just as long as you can justify it. Just don't forget to suggest ways to improve it -



Bleak
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Calvados, France
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007 - 08:07 AM UTC
I'm sorry but on weathering i can't give you any tips, as I said in my first message I'm not mad of weathering, I forsaked it long ago, but you'll find on that forum real weathering maestroes, I don't know what they are waiting to post here ^^'...

By the way, I love your paint job on soldiers !
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 09:53 AM UTC
seen some footage from Iraq, and some vehicles over there seem even more chipped , so I for one think it's a great model , whatever the "taste of viewer" maybe.

Tha Pit
chrisht
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:45 PM UTC
british armour in op telic has/had been worn worse than that.
All vehicles i.e. land rovers, scimitars, warriors, challenger 2's..... had an extensive amount of paint chips and scratches.....

so dude, it's an awesome model.....keep it up...
Roy
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 02:36 AM UTC
I feel comfortable when I hear this! Thanks.
Tankleader
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 03:17 AM UTC
Nice looking paint job.

Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 03:59 AM UTC
Hi Chris,

Seeing all the comments going around. I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Personally... I think the amount of chipping you had done is fine.. The Challengers in Iraq did undergo severe paint chips as the yellow was painted rather thinly over the original dark green, thus causing the chips.

My only other comment would be that you might want to create more depth for your Challenger, i.e. use of pin washes in the panel lines and bolts/nuts, and also to use post shading. That would look great.

I had also done the Challenger II from Tamiya with similar amount of chipping as yours..

Cheers!
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 09:50 PM UTC
Hi Christer, I think there are a lot of opinions on weathering and paints chips. This debate has previously surfaced regarding white wash on especially Russian and German vehicles.

In general I think white wash and desert colours applied as a "second" colour on top of the base camouflage tend to chip and wear of rather quickly.

I would agree that your Challenger is just fine with the amount of chipping you have done.

My humble opinion is that you got the chipping just right and the rest of the tank is a beauty as well.

Thanks for sharing
madmike
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 02:35 AM UTC
Thats perfect. The paint used was a waterbased tempory paint for most vehicles which came off rather quickly. I know a few people that decided to wash thier vehicles in Kuwait which took off all the paint.
Roy
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 07:42 PM UTC
Now I’m really encouraged to continue experimenting with type of chipping.

Thanks!

/Christer
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:44 PM UTC
Hi Christer,

In my opinion, what is actually "missing" from your build is dimension. Your tank looks rather 2D, especially since the chipping is done on a light color. I believe that is also the reason that we perceive the chipping as "overdone", because we can't fully see third dimension of the tank, there is no depth.

What I would recommend you to do would be using a method like washes, pre-post shading or something to make your tank look 3D. When you do that, you will see that your paint chips will not stand out so much and look more natural. Here, we see chipped streaks on a light color, which is actually a tank. If you can give the 3D feel, then we will first see a tank, which is worn down, not the other way around.

Just my 2 cents.
Roy
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Alvsborgs, Sweden
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 11:31 PM UTC
I love this kind of feedback!

More comments like this and the technical skill can really be improved, not just for me, but for others as well.

I'll keep this in mind for my next experiment!

Cheers