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ahandykindaguy
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 11:19 AM UTC

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Did it hurt?

Mind you that German armor had all metal tracks at the time, so a trail of white scratches would have been left by such heavy metal, specially when steering...



That is a good idea, I shall keep that in mind when I get to that area. Thanks for the tip. And no, it didn't hurt, cause I'm an operator not a driver!

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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 11:34 AM UTC
Hi Dave, what a great wonderful looking model! Fantastic work my friend I just went back to where I left off 2018 thru current and i love all the added details plus light work really Takes this over the top! Great job thanks for sharing!
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 11:54 AM UTC

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Hi Dave, what a great wonderful looking model! Fantastic work my friend I just went back to where I left off 2018 thru current and i love all the added details plus light work really Takes this over the top! Great job thanks for sharing!



Thanks Joaquin, it's coming along fairly well. Had some free time due to Covid-19, so was able to get some things worked on. Now my golf course job is starting to eat up a lot of time, which is fine, but we only have 3 guys doing all the work and 2 of us are 57... The boss is only 41, and even he said today how tired he is! we open tomorrow and hopefully will be able to bring back a few employees soon.

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Posted: Friday, May 15, 2020 - 12:01 AM UTC
Hi Dave, re the brolley I was referring to an actual WW2 photo. It might be in one of the three venerable Panzer Colours volumes (mine are in storage) & maybe it’s a Stug commander in his cupola under his open umbrella. Where's Frenchy?!

I think Erwin’s on the right track boom tish it’s the way I tell’em…anyhoo if the Panther was rolling down the street and swerved hard left through the wall, it would have likely done even more damage than what a much lighter construction bulldozer probably did in this image…



But as I queried before if the Panther reversed into the yard & hit the wall, all the debris on the undamaged pavement makes perfect sense… OK I'll shut up about trees AND roads now
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Posted: Friday, May 15, 2020 - 10:33 AM UTC

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Hi Dave, re the brolley I was referring to an actual WW2 photo. It might be in one of the three venerable Panzer Colours volumes (mine are in storage) & maybe it’s a Stug commander in his cupola under his open umbrella. Where's Frenchy?!

I think Erwin’s on the right track boom tish it’s the way I tell’em…anyhoo if the Panther was rolling down the street and swerved hard left through the wall, it would have likely done even more damage than what a much lighter construction bulldozer probably did in this image…



But as I queried before if the Panther reversed into the yard & hit the wall, all the debris on the undamaged pavement makes perfect sense… OK I'll shut up about trees AND roads now



It's all good Tim, I appreciate the vast knowledge base on our site... and I definitely don't get offended very easily either.

So take your best shots I'm a big boy! I will not be hurt, cause I'm not made of sugar.

Its funny about the track marks, I watched a few YouTube videos last night of German armor driving on roads, and some of the Tank Days at Bovington. It was very hard to see if there was any damage done to what I presume, especially in the Bovington stuff, was concrete and or asphalt. Except from the Panthers and T34's. The Tigers, both Tiger variants in fact, and some or all the other New tanks, all had independently steerable tracks that kept moving during cornering. But the Panthers and the T34's and the Cromwells were brake applied turning and all of them seemed to leave the aforementioned white skid marks!

My Panther definitely came barreling into the courtyard from the street/sidewalk, so I will eventually have to add some skid marks and more substantial damage to the curb side areas.

Someone a long time ago mentioned that there was too much rubble behind the tank on the sidewalk for a tank going through the wall, but I imagined a fair amount of it would have been kicked backwards by a Panther making a hard left into the wall with some speed, and a fair amount of the rest of the wall is hidden under the poorly trimmed small poplars that are underneath the now stopped tank.

I do also believe that I have seen that photo of the real tank commander and the " Brolley "... had to think for a couple minutes on that term. It's been decades since I'd heard it last! You must be old like me?

Cheers mate!
ahandykindaguy
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Posted: Friday, May 15, 2020 - 11:27 AM UTC
Tim, a quick google search brought me to this Brolley shot. NICE!


If only they were turning on the roadway, I'd have all I needed...

Cheers!

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 12:33 AM UTC
It doesn’t come up on an image search for me either Dave, I’m pretty sure the tank/stug commander’s grinning in the photo I’m thinking of. As for the skid marks I must admit it looks like the ‘dozer (?) had been doing burnouts/donuts in that image (I’d like to have seen that) but hope it helps unless/until there’s a better example. Re rain effects, I suggested white glue because it can provide a range of sheens, from virtually neat to heavily diluted - even so I think I’d be averse to risking it too, particularly as it’s practically irreversible
ahandykindaguy
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 01:42 AM UTC

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It doesn’t come up on an image search for me either Dave, I’m pretty sure the tank/stug commander’s grinning in the photo I’m thinking of. As for the skid marks I must admit it looks like the ‘dozer (?) had been doing burnouts/donuts in that image (I’d like to have seen that) but hope it helps unless/until there’s a better example. Re rain effects, I suggested white glue because it can provide a range of sheens, from virtually neat to heavily diluted - even so I think I’d be averse to risking it too, particularly as it’s practically irreversible





Yeah, at least with matte, satun and gloss varnish you can always just recoat...

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 02:25 AM UTC
I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 03:15 AM UTC

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I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J



Alrighty then,after having heard and seen all the evidence set for by the prosecution and defense teams, the judge has made his decision. It is the ruling of this court that, at a time to be determined at a later date, that I shall indeed address the deficiencies brought to the court's attention during this hearing. It is further stipulated that I find no fault by the builder, nor any malice directed towards him by any of the witnesses.

I know proclaim this session adjourned.

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 03:27 AM UTC
Here comes the judge! 😂
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 03:29 AM UTC



that's right Mike! Perfectly put...lol..

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 06:40 AM UTC

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I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J



Alrighty then,after having heard and seen all the evidence set for by the prosecution and defense teams, the judge has made his decision. It is the ruling of this court that, at a time to be determined at a later date, that I shall indeed address the deficiencies brought to the court's attention during this hearing. It is further stipulated that I find no fault by the builder, nor any malice directed towards him by any of the witnesses.

I know proclaim this session adjourned.




So no remedial measures adjudicated by Your Honor ? Sanctions ?
J
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 08:41 AM UTC

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I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J



Alrighty then,after having heard and seen all the evidence set for by the prosecution and defense teams, the judge has made his decision. It is the ruling of this court that, at a time to be determined at a later date, that I shall indeed address the deficiencies brought to the court's attention during this hearing. It is further stipulated that I find no fault by the builder, nor any malice directed towards him by any of the witnesses.

I know proclaim this session adjourned.




So no remedial measures adjudicated by Your Honor ? Sanctions ?
J





The chief justice for the Kangaroo court reserves his right to impose sanctions and or further actions at his discretion at any future time
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 09:55 AM UTC

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I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J



Alrighty then,after having heard and seen all the evidence set for by the prosecution and defense teams, the judge has made his decision. It is the ruling of this court that, at a time to be determined at a later date, that I shall indeed address the deficiencies brought to the court's attention during this hearing. It is further stipulated that I find no fault by the builder, nor any malice directed towards him by any of the witnesses.

I know proclaim this session adjourned.




So no remedial measures adjudicated by Your Honor ? Sanctions ?
J





The chief justice for the Kangaroo court reserves his right to impose sanctions and or further actions at his discretion at any future time



Thank you Your Honor. No further questions at this time Your Honor.
J
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2020 - 01:36 PM UTC

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I can say from personal experience in Germany with tracked vehicles they leave marks on the road. Less so with rubber track pads of course,but the WWII German tanks were pure metal.My experience was with curbs and our tanks and apcs hitting the curbs while turning and the edges of the treads chipping and breaking said curbs. This drove the Germans wild,specially when they just had new curbstones installed and we decimated them ! So,yes,whitish grindy marks are in order and that last pic showing the curved marks was perfect for your vehicle turning off the road.
J



Alrighty then,after having heard and seen all the evidence set for by the prosecution and defense teams, the judge has made his decision. It is the ruling of this court that, at a time to be determined at a later date, that I shall indeed address the deficiencies brought to the court's attention during this hearing. It is further stipulated that I find no fault by the builder, nor any malice directed towards him by any of the witnesses.

I know proclaim this session adjourned.




So no remedial measures adjudicated by Your Honor ? Sanctions ?
J





The chief justice for the Kangaroo court reserves his right to impose sanctions and or further actions at his discretion at any future time



Thank you Your Honor. No further questions at this time Your Honor.
J



One of my favorite lines of courtroom banter is from My Cousin Vinny I believe...

I'm out of order? Your out of order! This whole coirt is out of order! I love Joe Pesci..
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Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - 03:21 PM UTC
And here come da judge, it’s coitains for yeow! You’ve no idea how much RSI I got clicking my blog over 5,000 times to catch up witchoo, we were level there for a minute just now on 303,935 views!
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Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2020 - 03:13 AM UTC

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And here come da judge, it’s coitains for yeow! You’ve no idea how much RSI I got clicking my blog over 5,000 times to catch up witchoo, we were level there for a minute just now on 303,935 views!



Tim, I take no pride in having so few more visitors to my buildlog than you have to yours... since mine has been here since early in this new century

I actually was perusing the pages on the weekend, and I'm sure I saw a post with almost a million hits! A million!

We're just smallfry compared to that.