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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 12:29 PM UTC
Tomato / toe-mat-O

But yes all the 1 1/4 ton trucks were Chevy's not "GMC's". Also mine has split diff's not banjo but SOME Chevy 1 1/4 tons were built with splits.

But let's see who owned the Chevy plants? Oh GMC.

The Chevy's are sometimes referred to as 5/4's but I like to call em a "Baby Deuce". But that's just me.

Finally I was referring to what model I used to built MY 1 1/4 ton Chevy. Not saying how Chevy built them.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 12:33 PM UTC
The whole point of this entire forum topic is to outline the multiple possibilities of the Deuce kit and encourage the hobby manufacturers to take the tooling they already have and come up with more variants.

Of which the 5/4 Chevy is but one.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 03:59 PM UTC
Im with you as Id like to see a lot more variants on the GMCs, but Im afraid that these allied trucks kits wont bring in the sales like German armor does.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 04:33 PM UTC
CCKW LWB soft cab with installed HO-17 Radio Shelter
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 04:41 PM UTC

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Tomato / toe-mat-O

But yes all the 1 1/4 ton trucks were Chevy's not "GMC's". Also mine has split diff's not banjo but SOME Chevy 1 1/4 tons were built with splits.

But let's see who owned the Chevy plants? Oh GMC.

The Chevy's are sometimes referred to as 5/4's but I like to call em a "Baby Deuce". But that's just me.

Finally I was referring to what model I used to built MY 1 1/4 ton Chevy. Not saying how Chevy built them.




Actually the WW2 Chevys were 1 1/2 ton trucks.

The 5/4 ton is the 1960's replacemenent for the Dodge 3/4 ton. It was built by Jeep.

According to Vanderveen's Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory World War II GMC built 100 1 1/2 ton trucks with Earth Borers for the Signal Corps in 1941. He says there were only 100 of this chassis type However, Chrisman in US Military Wheeled Vehicles implies that there were also were some army dump trucks and Marine Corps crane and wrecker trucks on the same chassis. They apparently all had "civilian" fenders, hoods and and grills, however.

Also according to Chrisman, Chevrolet built three 1 1/2 ton 4x4 cargo trucks with winch using a combination of Chevy and GMC parts. They had Chevy hard top cabs. The most visible diference from the Chevy 1 1/2 ton was the 12 louver GMC hood side panels instead of the 6 louver Chevy panels. They were built in 1943 and sent to Aberdeen Proving Grounds for testing. One was later converted to a tractor.



Do you have a prototype photo of the the soft cab tractor. Neither Vandereen's nor Chrisman's books show anything similar except the above referenced Chevy/GMC hybrid tractor. It had a had top cab.

I have read somwhere that while the GMC's were built with both hard and soft top cabs, that all the Chevys had hard top cabs.

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You have built some great inspiring models.




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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 05:54 PM UTC
Found a picture of a Chevy 1 1/2 ton tractor in a book of reprints of WW2 vehicle identification sheets. It has a hard top cab. Notes say that the open cab is the military standard but that all the 1 1/2 toners produced had closed cabs as of when they were published. There are no dates on the sheets.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 07:17 PM UTC

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Tomato / toe-mat-O

But yes all the 1 1/4 ton trucks were Chevy's not "GMC's". Also mine has split diff's not banjo but SOME Chevy 1 1/4 tons were built with splits.

But let's see who owned the Chevy plants? Oh GMC.

The Chevy's are sometimes referred to as 5/4's but I like to call em a "Baby Deuce". But that's just me.

Finally I was referring to what model I used to built MY 1 1/4 ton Chevy. Not saying how Chevy built them.



Here is link GMC CCKW 4x4 real vehicle and me model
http://s96.beta.photobucket.com/user/bulivyf/library/GMC%20CCKW%204x4?
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 11:41 PM UTC
Gonna have to digest all of that!
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 - 12:54 AM UTC
Hi all, a refugee from Aeroscale here with a question for those with much greater knowledge than I.

I am looking to replicate the following photo in a 1/72 diorama, and hoping (praying) that there might be a simple solution to build the fuel trailers . . . . .


I can source the truck from the Hasegawa range, but I'm thinking I might have to buy a couple of extra trucks to use the tank/chassis/wheels and build the trailers.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 - 03:43 AM UTC
Hi Damian

These look to be 600 Gal Type A-3 trailers :






A 1/35th scale kit has been released by CMK. Maybe the instruction sheet would help with scratchbuilding a 1/72nd scale one ?

CMK kit

While looking for pics, I've came across this one, showing what looks like a Chevrolet bomb truck turned into a tanker truck...



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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 - 09:07 AM UTC
That's exactly the info I was looking for, thanks so much for your help Frenchy. My thoughts are that the Hasegawa truck kit is reasonably cheap and one kit could possibly provide the parts required for the same sort of price as buying materials to scratch build .
Anyway, you have filled in a very big piece of the puzzle for me, onwards and upwards from here, thanks once again.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 04:26 PM UTC
Well David Doyle the author and historian has confirmed that all 1 1/2 ton trucks were built with enclosed cabs except the bomb trucks. Can't argue with a confirmation like that! So I guess my 1 1/2 ton semi tractor shown above must now be relegated to the list of imaginary vehicles.

I have wanted to build the enclosed tractor for sometime now but I was planning on making that one a Studabaker! May have to rethink that plan.

the Chassis Man
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Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 04:32 PM UTC
Thanks Damian for that fantastic shot of the CCKW fuel truck pulling the "fuel train".
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2013 - 06:19 PM UTC

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Thanks Damian for that fantastic shot of the CCKW fuel truck pulling the "fuel train".



No problems Michael. I originally thought it might be a little off topic for this thread, but it seems not, and the info from Frenchy is a great help. I'm wondering now if the minister for war and finance would react badly if I pre-ordered the new 1/32 P-61 from Hobby Boss, then set up the kitchen table as a big dio with some 1/35 vehicles and a bucket of sand.

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Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:47 PM UTC
In the past I have used sand and rocks from my backyard railroad on the patio to pose my models.
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Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:52 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 03:02 AM UTC
Any one have deminsions on the size of the tank on the fuel trailer vs. the physical size of the tank on the water trailer? Could the water trailer be easily converted to work as the fuel trailer????

I know the fuel tank had convex ends whereas the water tank had flat ends but that could be easily corrected with body putty and careful sanding.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 11:19 AM UTC
I think my meaning is clear but I want to make sure; when I say a manufacturer doesn't follow up after a new model I am considering both the preferences of the modeler (the market demographics) as well as the manufacturer's investment in a given new model (tooling, packaging, advertising.)

Example: Tamiya came out with the Steyr Medium field car and then shortly afterwards came out with the Kommandeurwagon . This allowed them to reuse the existing tooling for the tires, wheels, frame, hood, fenders, differential, transmission and lower engine, greatly reducing Tamiya's start up investment cost compared to a totally new model.

For me, proper and sensible follow thru on Tamiya's part would be to also offer the load truck, the AA flak truck, the ambulance, radio van and the personnel carrier, etc.

As for their totally new Opel Blitz, proper follow thru would be to also offer one or more of the following: fuel trucks (there was at least two styles), the wood cab variant, the wood fired version, the radio van, the ambulance, the long wheel base truck that uses the bus frame and then of course the Opel bus itself!

Just saying . . . . .
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 03:26 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 03:34 PM UTC
[quote



Here is link GMC CCKW 4x4 real vehicle and me model
http://s96.beta.photobucket.com/user/bulivyf/library/GMC%20CCKW%204x4?[/quote]

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I doubt that that a real as built GMC 1-1/2 ton WW2 truck. According to Chrisman there were only three built and they all went to Aberdeen Proving Grounds for testing. They were built from a mixture of Chevy and GMC parts.

While there were some pre-war GMC 1-1/2 tons they had civilian hoods and fenders and had earth boring machines mounted, not a cargo beds.

It was probably put together by a military vehicle fan from Chevy 1-1/2 ton and GMC 2-1/2 ton parts. While similar to the three "real" trucks it is not likely that the mix of parts is exactly the same.

While the WW2 Chevys looked like shortened GMC's, there were actially numerous differences. I don't have a list, but the most obvious was the hood side panel. Less obvious is that there were minor differences in the cabs. Also they had different engines.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 11:54 PM UTC
Highway I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. - Yes, there were the 2 or 3 odd-ball Chevys built with the drilling rigs but are you saying there were no other two axle Chevys built with "wartime like" cabs? Because that is just not correct.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 05:06 AM UTC
There has been more than a little talk here of the Signal Corps post hole drill truck. Here is the only shot I was able to pull out of my library.
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 06:54 AM UTC
And then there are the multitude of shop and office van bodies.
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 07:07 AM UTC
A front 3/4 on that CCKW fuel truck: