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The chase
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Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 07:31 AM UTC
Hello everyone ,

the chase is my new project , an in-flight diorama on scale 1:32. The theme is WWO 1 .

I'm going to create a dogfight scene between a Sopwith Camel and a Fokker DR1 above a field . The pilot of the Fokker is Manfred Von Richthofen known as the red baron. The Sopwith will be the underdog , i'm sorry for that trying to avoid confrontation with the red painted Fokker , flying very low over the trees and hedges . Not because the pilot is afraid but because he's running out of ammo and fuel.

You have to imagine a zigzagging low-flying Sopwith trying to shake off the red baron in a desperate attempt .

I know how to create a landscape so this is no problem , also the biplanes are no difficulty because its a OOB .

And here it comes ?? Flying biplanes means spinning propellors.....i have to find a way to simulate prop blur , and how should i place those two airplanes on the diorama , without killing the whole scene???? Well i hope to overcome those issues...

This will be the scene , now the intro

Since my childhood i've been fascinated by the history of an airfield. It was known as Flugplatz Markebeke (airfield Markebeke) in 1917. The German pilots stayed in the castle close by the airfield. Those pilots were Manfred Von Richthofen , Lothar Von Richthofen , Werner Voss , Kurt Wolf and many others......the pilots of the flying circus or fighter group one. The top aces of the German air force !

Pictures of the airfield , it is now a farmfield. These pictures are from 2013.





This are the items i'm going to use


Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 12:43 PM UTC

Hi Kurt,

ambitious project no doubt! Nest wishes for it from my side!

Cheers

Romain

kurnuy
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Posted: Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 10:30 PM UTC

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Hi Kurt,

ambitious project no doubt! Nest wishes for it from my side!

Cheers

Romain




Hello Romain ,

thanks for the reply , i'll do my best to succeed

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 12:58 AM UTC
Easy chair is warmed up and pop corn is on the stove!
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 03:37 AM UTC
For spinning props, look here - http://www.am-works.com/store/aw035-dynamic-propeller-fokker-p-262.html
kurnuy
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 05:42 AM UTC
Hello guys ,

Jerry , '' Bon appétit , mon ami '' Thanks for checking in buddy !

Biggles 2 , thanks for the visit and the link, i've already looked into it and its not bad but i do not like the concentric lines or circles. Besides ,i think if you look sideways to the prop, it looks like a flat disk which is not very realistic. I guess , i'll have to figure out something

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 06:09 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
These are some tough challenges you've given yourself. You've got my attention. Good luck and I'm sure you'll amaze us!

--mike
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:02 AM UTC
Hi Kurt - ahh, another in your tradition of challenging builds! This will be fun to watch!
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:07 AM UTC




thanks m8!! Very useful!!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:10 AM UTC
There's a cheaper way to mask and airbrush onto a clear plastic disk, but it's still going to be flat, sideways. I really don't think there's a way to have it both ways! Try checking the Aeroscale section of Kitmaker.
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:36 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,

Look forward to developments.

Al
kurnuy
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 07:27 PM UTC
Mike , Nick , Romain , Alan , Biggles 2 thanks guys for your interest . I will do my best to create a nice diorama Much appreciated !

Biggles 2 , thanks again for the help ,i have an idea .

The past few days i have been working on the pilot and the Fokker triplane. I hope to show you some pictures soon.

Stay tuned !

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 01:17 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
why not doing it like the real thing: turn a propeller. 1/32 scale should leave you with some place to put a little motor on the propeller-drive shaft and let it turn whenever you want it. Replacing batteries shurely will be a challenge. But - isn´t that what you are looking for? ;-)
Anxious for the solution you will finally come up with.

Michael
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 08:16 AM UTC

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Hi Kurt,
why not doing it like the real thing: turn a propeller. 1/32 scale should leave you with some place to put a little motor on the propeller-drive shaft and let it turn whenever you want it. Replacing batteries shurely will be a challenge. But - isn´t that what you are looking for? ;-)
Anxious for the solution you will finally come up with.

Michael



Hello Michael ,

thank you for the visit ! Indeed , i have seen Japanese in-flight dioramas with real-rotating propellers. There are small motors on the market , made in China i guess . Okay , than you have a spinning propeller....but on the other hand you have a problem with the visual aspect. Meaning , drilling a hole at the bottom or underside of the model for the wires.. and where to go with the wires (+and-)??? You can put them in a tube that also supports the model and that's (IMHO) a very ugly thing to do.

However , it's not a bad idea and thank you Michael for the thought.

A smal update of the Fokker. It is a dryfit of the fuselage with the pilot in the cockpit. The figure fits perfectly in to the chair and cockpit ! Woehaaa.....lucky me !

The red baron not finished


Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 09:55 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
my idea was actually to have the whole power pack inside the plane. No wireing via supports to the base, or so. Of cause you will have to provide access to the batteries. Maybe by cutting out a panel at the off side of the plane that is less visible.
But - just a tought, I never tried anything like it.

Keep us updated!
Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 07:27 AM UTC
Now you're going to have a fairly heavy plane. How would it be suspended, or supported? I have seen an aircraft dio where the plane was flying at tree-top level and the support for the plane was concealed in a convenient tree. Looked pretty convincing.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 06:55 PM UTC


Hi Kurt, hi guys,

this is already turning into a highy interesting thread!!!

Michael's idea sounds feasable, with today's miniaturisation mania helping.
Batteries are a lot smaller and more efficient nowadays....and the plane does not have to really fly, or does it!!

Biggles is right as to the treetop possibility of fastening!

If you want a 360 degrees view at the dio, there is hardly another way IMHO.

Well, as we probably all agree.....a challenging project!!!

Let's see how you amaze us this time m8!!

Cheers

Romain


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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 08:24 AM UTC
Hello guys ,

sorry for the late reply

Michael , i've never installed an electric motor in a plastic model so far . Not an easy job to do i think . Thank you for the thought

Biggles 2 , aha..... , you're close very close !

I think you meant this diorama ???My first in-flight dio,


Romain , wait and see m8 because i am the master in deception ....i'm showing off !

This weekend i will explain the whole diorama in a clear way.

Stay tuned

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 08:40 AM UTC
I've got my popcorn ready! Just don't tell us that the next sequel is in December! LOL!

--mike

PS: Guys, I think Kurt is working on perfecting levitation!
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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 08:47 AM UTC

I'm with Mike!!

It is some form of antigravity!! Maybe Kurt has found the papers from that secret nazi project on levitation in a bunker somewhere...!!!

I will try to be patient...and wait for your next posting!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 09:20 AM UTC
Hello guys ,

Mike you bet i am !!!!

Romain , if you fart very hard it's amazing how some models react......and eating a lot of popcorn is ideal to do the job IMHO

Thanks for the comments guys

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 09:30 AM UTC
For a 3d effect to your spinning prop, use a 2cm thick piece of plexi-glass or acrylic. Paint the edges with translucent paint.
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Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014 - 07:25 AM UTC

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Hello guys ,



Biggles 2 , aha..... , you're close very close !

I think you meant this diorama ???My first in-flight dio,



Kurt


That's the one! So you're the guy. Nice and clever job - I think I'll imitate it.
kurnuy
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:21 AM UTC
Hello guys ,

Matt , thanks for looking in , but using a 2cm thick piece of plexi glass would not look very nice on the model. Thanks anyway for the advice.

Biggles 2 , thank you for the compliment and i have no problem at all if you are copying the diorama. I'm glad i'm inspiring .

To all ,

i have made a test to simulate a spinning propeller , however the result is not very good but i think i'm on the right way.

The intention is to maintain only the base ( shaft?) of the propeller. The spinning effect of the propeller is simulated with pieces of transparant plastic and the prop blur with small pieces of evergreen styrene. This is the result so far



Stay tuned

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:55 AM UTC
Sorry if this was mentioned already, but the PE PROP BLUR offerings look great. I tried the 1/72 scale 3 bladed on a B-17 and it really worked well when airbrushed. Wonder if they have something big enough for what you are doing? See the website here...
http://www.propblur.com/index.html

Hope this helps...Good luck!
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