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Width indicator replacements?
communityguy
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 03:16 AM UTC
Oh boy... I can't seem to avoid snapping off the plastic width indicators on German WWII softskins. I need to replace a missing Sd. Kfz. 7 one... any suggestions on where to source turned brass replacements? I can't seem to easily find them in the normal (and fast delivery) sources.

Thanks!
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 03:36 AM UTC
eBay ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Armorscale-1-35-Width-Indicator-for-German-Armoured-Wehicles-S35-008-/121084187201

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LionRoar-1-35-LE35113-WWII-GERMAN-WIDTH-INDICATOR-/150903038147 (4 per set )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-35-Voyager-brass-width-indicator-234-232-222-sws-benz-/380187707960

H.P.
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 03:42 AM UTC
Those all seem to be meant for a different vehicle than the Sd. Kfz. 7... the base seems to tall on those. Am I misunderstanding?
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 04:53 AM UTC
I suggest using small diameter Evergreen rod for your width markers. The soft plastic is way more elastic and "forgiving" when bumped into than either the molded kit part or brass rod.

Dip the lower end of the rod in thick paint several times and allow to dry thoroughly to form the lower fennel base. Same process for the white "vision" ball on the top of the rod. The plastic rod will accept some forming and bending (not unlike fine wire) if to need to bend an angle into the marker.

Drill a small hole in the vehicle fender and apply glue from below to mount the markers.

You can manufacture hundreds of these markers for practically no cost and in whatever diameter and/or length your model calls for.

Regards -- Mike

p.s. A small plastic disk forms the rearview mirror if desired.
(See photo below)



(I have only had to replace one marker due to breakage in the last eight years since replacing them with Evergreen rod.
I now do the same thing with all those L-O-N-G review mirror stalks on all the US CCKW's I build!)
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:00 AM UTC
I've tried the dipping method before - curious to hear how you get it to work. I've tried with white glue and paint, but it always seems to just move from ball into running along the rod after a bit of time.

Any suggestions on how to get it to stay and dry in ball form?
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:18 AM UTC
I recommend dipping the tip of the rod into the paint and then hanging the marker upside down until the paint dries. Gravity and surface tension should cause the paint to form into an almost perfect ball.

Not big enough? Repeat the above.
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:53 AM UTC
Like you I have the same problem with the "driver knows" and mirror brackets.

If you choose not to use the PE replacements,get some bridal lace pins from Michaels (Loops and Threads brand) or a craft store. The 27mm size has a .5 mm shank which scales nicely. Drill a hole in the fender and glue from the bottom, as suggested. For a little more realistic look bend over the head and paint it dirty white.

Sequin pins,brass or steel, can also be used. Most packages don't have the shank size listed but are a little bigger than the lace pins and work well on the larger vehicles.

They can also be used for realistic mirror brackets, grab handles, railing uprights, etc. which are mostly out of scale in plastic.
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:18 AM UTC
There are replacement "driver knows" indicators for the 7 from Voyager.
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 04:16 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I've tried the dipping method before - curious to hear how you get it to work. I've tried with white glue and paint, but it always seems to just move from ball into running along the rod after a bit of time.

Any suggestions on how to get it to stay and dry in ball form?



Try 2 part 5 minute epoxy?
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 05:02 AM UTC
Use sewing pins with ball heads....they come in a variety of sizes and can be adapted to represent indicators.

If you doubt on their adaptability, have a look here:

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/halftracks/sdkfz-7/

Almost no two Sd kfz 7 have the same shaped indicators and
their location differs. Also the ball size varies in many
cases.

Cheers,
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 07:01 AM UTC
Don't know if the size is correct but I have these in stock
http://www.thescenicfactory.com/product_p/35a01.htm
- John
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:22 PM UTC
Thanks for the help, everyone! Trials this weekend were successful!

I wrote up my notes and learnings on my blog:
http://build.theworldwithme.com/replacing-afv-width-indicators/

Alright, on to the next task!
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 04:56 PM UTC
Hi Jake, and all..

For future reference if needed (and as Bill mentioned above), Voyager (and Lion Roar as well I believe) do many sets of German width indicators.

Voyager review on PMMS:

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/voyager/vm_mea001-4.htm

Hobbyeasy in HK should stock them.

Cheers,
Sven

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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 01:29 PM UTC
[quote]Use sewing pins with ball heads....they come in a variety of sizes and can be adapted to represent indicators.


Almost no two Sd kfz 7 have the same shaped indicators and
their location differs. Also the ball size varies in many
cases.

Absolutely. The pins are available with a white head. Perfect for the 7's. Can also be bent and used on the Sd kfz 9's.

I suggested the lace and sequin pins for the smaller vehicles.

You are also correct about field mods, Some have been replaced with heavier metal tubing or shafting so cables or chains can be wrapped around them. Others have mirrors attached to them. On high time vehicles they are gone.

THink about it: Using them for support pulling themselves up when changing a tire in the mud.... in spring 1943. I'm sure they were considered extra parts by the drivers and troops, especially those on or close to the front lines.

Sewing pins are a pretty easy and cheap realistic fix.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 05:52 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I've tried the dipping method before - curious to hear how you get it to work. I've tried with white glue and paint, but it always seems to just move from ball into running along the rod after a bit of time.

Any suggestions on how to get it to stay and dry in ball form?



I use CA glue rather than paint, and I also use guitar string instead of styrene rod: can be bent to shape with plyers, but much less susceptible to bumps and breakage.

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