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Dragon Conqueror
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 01:18 AM UTC
Did I beat Hisham? ;-)



http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DRA3555

Great Volstad artwork!

Let the Black Label whining commence! And Chieftain wishes...

Jim
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 02:23 AM UTC
What it's not a Chieftain? And is Dragon coming out with a beetle? It's in the back ground. ....... Sorry guys couldn't resist.

Regards,

Rod
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 02:49 AM UTC
I can't wait to see this one taken down like the M103...someone will find something wrong with this kit too.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 03:12 AM UTC

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I can't wait to see this one taken down like the M103...someone will find something wrong with this kit too.



The thing with the M103 was not that people found something wrong with it, the problem was that people couldn't find anything that were right on it...


Great to see Volstad back doing box arts.

Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 03:31 AM UTC
Yea, people were not nit-picking, the M103 was really bad with serious errors. By contrast the M48 kit was pretty decent.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 05:35 AM UTC
I think this is awesome news!!
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 05:57 AM UTC

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What it's not a Chieftain? And is Dragon coming out with a beetle? It's in the back ground. ....... Sorry guys couldn't resist.

Regards,

Rod



Actually I would not mind the Käfer and the two civilians as a kit. Looks like one with a second generation rear window and electric turning indicators. Would fit well into the 1970s. Same for the two guys.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:10 AM UTC
I am guardedly optimistic about this and hope DML breaks the cycle of only really caring about German stuff. I'll give them a chance to redeem themselves.
Regards,
Georg
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:22 AM UTC

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What it's not a Chieftain? And is Dragon coming out with a beetle? It's in the back ground. ....... Sorry guys couldn't resist.

Regards,

Rod



Hahahahaha
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:23 AM UTC
Thanks for posting the info Jim.

The kit looks like either a Mk.2 or a Mk.2/1/H version. Can anyone confirm?

A very nice piece of work by Ron for the box art.

Do you think this photo was the inspiration? Note how the gun is over the back deck in the gun crutch during the road move.



SSGToms
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 07:41 AM UTC
Nope, if it's a Black Plague kit then it's made for WOT players, not modelers, and to us it will be a POS, just like every other kit in the Black Plague series. This line is not made for model builders with references, it's made for video game players with graphics to go by.
Amusing Hobbies is releasing a Conqueror later, save your money for a good kit of it.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 08:16 AM UTC

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Nope, if it's a Black Plague kit then it's made for WOT players, not modelers, and to us it will be a POS, just like every other kit in the Black Plague series. This line is not made for model builders with references, it's made for video game players with graphics to go by.
Amusing Hobbies is releasing a Conqueror later, save your money for a good kit of it.



because of the stupid world of tanks game you can't find any accurate info on google or bing becuse of that stupid game the net is flooded with world of tanks
pespada
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 08:25 AM UTC
Geez--see what I mean! All we have is a picture of the Conqueror kit (Go Ron Volstad!) and it's already condemned because it is in that "Black Plague" line of DML kits, as some call it! No one has any idea what's in the box! The "Black Labels" are not that terrible, for cryin' out loud--yeah--wait for the "competitors" to come out with their own versions--they had the advantage of being second and having all you "experts" do their homework for them!
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 09:19 AM UTC

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Geez--see what I mean! All we have is a picture of the Conqueror kit (Go Ron Volstad!) and it's already condemned because it is in that "Black Plague" line of DML kits, as some call it! No one has any idea what's in the box! The "Black Labels" are not that terrible, for cryin' out loud--yeah--wait for the "competitors" to come out with their own versions--they had the advantage of being second and having all you "experts" do their homework for them!



Well, actually the Black plaque kits to use your description ARE that bad. We are not talking about minor nit picks but major flaws that would result in total rebuilds in most cases so far. They built the reputation and it is not surprising that people wont give them the bebefit of the doubt.
Nice artwork from Ron though
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 09:27 AM UTC

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Yea, people were not nit-picking, the M103 was really bad with serious errors. By contrast the M48 kit was pretty decent.



I have both the M48 kits and nowhere on either box does it even mention 'Black Label'....which is probably why there are ok, mostly.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 09:35 AM UTC

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Well, actually the Black plaque kits to use your description ARE that bad. We are not talking about minor nit picks but major flaws that would result in total rebuilds in most cases so far.



It was my understanding from the few reviews I've seen that the Kpz 70's problems were those of details, not gross shape errors. I still haven't seen a credible analysis of the M6A1's problems other than "something is off", so I can't say where on the problem scale it lies. (There are detail problems too, I know.)

As severe and fatal as the T28 and M103A1 problems are I don't think they are the result of going off game graphics but from making flawed basic assumptions like the T28 used Sherman suspension parts and the M103 was just an M48 stretched by one wheel station. (There were a lot of scratchbuilds and conversions of those vehicles based on those same assumptions back in dark ages.)

KL
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 09:40 AM UTC

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because of the stupid world of tanks game you can't find any accurate info on google or bing becuse of that stupid game the net is flooded with world of tanks



I can't agree with that. You just have to know how to look and when to stop.

In the cases where this might be true, I guess we'll have to actually buy and read books, or photograph and measure real tanks. The horror, the horror.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 10:04 AM UTC

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Amusing Hobbies is releasing a Conqueror later, save your money for a good kit of it.


Unfortunately when both AH and DML announced their Conquerors at the Japanese hobby show, there were more noticeable inaccuracies in the AH prototype model than in DML CAD images... So I wouldn't be so sure about the AH kit being more accurate (it will be a different Mark anyway). We just need to wait for the final plastic - hopefully AH corrected their errors...
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:01 PM UTC
If we have to wait as long as we have for the Saladin (Salad Tin) it will be a while before the proof of the pudding can be eaten!

Me, I will compare it with both of my resin kits from Cromwell and Accurate Armour, you never know, either one of them could be copies.


Keith.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:38 PM UTC

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If we have to wait as long as we have for the Saladin (Salad Tin) it will be a while before the proof of the pudding can be eaten!

Me, I will compare it with both of my resin kits from Cromwell and Accurate Armour, you never know, either one of them could be copies.


Keith.



Gordon is an amazing guy, but I don't think he can travel
in time (although he REALLY REALLY needs to be able to if
he is ever going to be able to deliver in time ...)
so I doubt that Cromwells Conqueror is a copy of either
of the new kits.
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:42 PM UTC
If both plastic kits turn out to be duds, might be a blessing in disguise for me as I have two Cromwell Conquerors in my stash. :-)

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:56 PM UTC

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because of the stupid world of tanks game you can't find any accurate info on google or bing becuse of that stupid game the net is flooded with world of tanks



I can't agree with that. You just have to know how to look and when to stop.

In the cases where this might be true, I guess we'll have to actually buy and read books, or photograph and measure real tanks. The horror, the horror.

KL



It does make the Googling a bit harder but does anyone honestly believe that we'd see the wave of prototype and even what-if kits without the game? Plus spinoff books on vehicles like the ISU-152 and JS-4? Never mind the wonderful Chieftain "Down the Hatch" videos? I don't even play the game but I bloody well love it!
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 07:04 PM UTC
When it comes to armor modeling, we should count our blessings (and be prepared to do some scratch and mods if it is your inclination).
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 07:20 PM UTC
I love the World of Tanks game. Currently I'm trying to unlock the Tiger 1. See if I can get 007 on the side of the turret. Try to make it look like Mark Wittmann Tiger.

Happy Holidays Troops!
Cheers,
Tom
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 07:42 PM UTC

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...I guess we'll have to actually buy and read books, or photograph and measure real tanks. The horror, the horror.

KL



Go figure, actual research and study... and books? Who knew there were such things?

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