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Dioramas with large scale (1/16 plus) subjects.
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 01:40 AM UTC
Yes !! That is very useful info. I will find it to be even more so when I dive into my next horse project !
J
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 12:00 PM UTC
It looks like horses don't seem to make it very often to this site.
Has anybody seen a build log of the ICM divisional artillery or the Miniart ones?
I am building the last one, using our own horses as models by the way, but found no references until today.
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 05:50 PM UTC
Paul and Jerry ,

thanks for the replies . So let's build more horses then .

I was thinking about to leave armorama but i've changed my mind . Again please do not see me as someone that has to teach you . I don't call myself even a good millitairy modeler .

So that said , especially at the request of Stefan and to the people that like horses , i took some pictures in bright daylight of my little vignette .

The scene depicts a scene from the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 were the army of Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated by the Duke of Wellington .(i hope i'm right ). After i've finished the vignette i read that the curassiers didn't appear in their full armor..... Anyhow this is my idea ...







The kit is from Miniart and i love their kits on scale 1:16.A lot of detail ..
Thanks for watching ,

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2017 - 03:00 PM UTC
Well i've been thinking lately about the advice that Paul gave me and it's real funny that the more you look at your finished model the more you're convinced that there is room for improvement .

Like Paul said making foam between the leggs of the exhausted horse (model ) is a challenge so i didn't dare to simulate this .

What i did was bringing a little bit more foam into the mouth by applying transparant gel and down the neck the foam was created with a layer of clear varnish and white pigment and after adding the pigments another layer of clear varnish was applied to create the foam effect. Using white paint can also do the trick maybe but from my humble experience it would look like the horse travelled through the snow .... wrong effect.

I have one picture to show you.


Cheers ,

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2017 - 08:36 PM UTC
Cool effects ! It is very nice that you think to include the horses' condition in the story. Too many modelers would only think of the rider.
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2017 - 11:36 PM UTC
Hey Kurt, just saw this post for the first time, I do like it. I have an 8 horse dio in progress with Cossacks charging from the woods. I do have a love for horses as I worked as a teacher at a boys school (for troubled kids) when I was younger and went on from there to work at several dude ranch's,(hated the way the horses were treated). But this is a refreshing dio you have here. Paul is correct in his assessment of the bits and the lather, which will be thicker at the mouth than any were else. If it is not to late, put a shinny clear coat on the horses body. The horse will sweat all over and the lather will build up in certain areas. Other than that, a hearty congratulations on a project (horses, except J.R.'s) we don't get to see very often.
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Cool effects ! It is very nice that you think to include the horses' condition in the story. Too many modelers would only think of the rider.
J



Thanks Jerry , i have tried to tell the story with a ''stand alone model'' which is a little bit harder to do than a '' classic'' diorama including vehicles , figures , vegetation , buildings etc...

I'm glad you like the scene .

Kurt
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 - 12:56 AM UTC

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Hey Kurt, just saw this post for the first time, I do like it. I have an 8 horse dio in progress with Cossacks charging from the woods. I do have a love for horses as I worked as a teacher at a boys school (for troubled kids) when I was younger and went on from there to work at several dude ranch's,(hated the way the horses were treated). But this is a refreshing dio you have here. Paul is correct in his assessment of the bits and the lather, which will be thicker at the mouth than any were else. If it is not to late, put a shinny clear coat on the horses body. The horse will sweat all over and the lather will build up in certain areas. Other than that, a hearty congratulations on a project (horses, except J.R.'s) we don't get to see very often.



Hi Bob , nice to see you dropping in . God bless you for the work you've done with troubled children . I save your advice for the next time because i'm a little bit worried to overdo things. I think i have a good mix of wet and dry parts on the horse .

Thanks for the compliments .

Kurt
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 - 01:14 AM UTC

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Cool effects ! It is very nice that you think to include the horses' condition in the story. Too many modelers would only think of the rider.
J



I had the same thoughts.

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 - 11:52 PM UTC

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Cool effects ! It is very nice that you think to include the horses' condition in the story. Too many modelers would only think of the rider.
J



I had the same thoughts.

Cheers

Sean



Thanks Sean , appreciated !

Kurt
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 12:43 AM UTC
It's not my habit to comment on other peoples work unless it's outstanding or (at the least ) remarkable so I don't besides noticing the horse is, indeed, in bad condition due to who knowes what terrible events but perhaps this will help on "the next horse".
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Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 - 11:06 PM UTC
Fortunately , i have no terrible behavior

Cheers ! ( Belgian Beer of course )
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 05:37 AM UTC
Great work as always Kurt,

and a bravery award's pending for tinkering after you'd finished. It's superb to my eyes...maybe a little bit of red stuff on his sword, which would add to the narrative?

Cheers,
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 08:50 PM UTC
Dear Kurt,

Presuming that this project has been completed, please, allow me some advice for your next adventure with horses:
All leather parts on a horse do have a function, so it is all well kept and brought to the right length. Your reins should be straight so there is a direct contact between mouth and rider. No reins, no control!
Stirups are there to give a better position in the saddle. Missing a stirup leads to unstable positioning, thus severely hampering your movements while using your sabre. And that is where you are on the horse: to execute swift and effectfull charges. No stirup, no horse control!
Only short people ( like the Crow native indians in the USA plains) had made riding without stirups to a real art. Taller people, like the Greek, Romans and Mongolians became only dangerously successful in cavalery charges after introducing stirups.

Please, forgive if this sounds too critical. Not intended that way.
But your effort intends to show a thought over dio. Than the details make the difference between good and perfect!

I myself find great inspiration by studying the pieces of Mike Blank from Sweden!
He had done quite some impressive dios with horses.
I am sure he is able to inspire you as well.

Looking forward to see your next mount,

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 11:27 PM UTC

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Great work as always Kurt,

and a bravery award's pending for tinkering after you'd finished. It's superb to my eyes...maybe a little bit of red stuff on his sword, which would add to the narrative?

Cheers,



Hi Tim ,
thanks for the kind words my friend , honestly i don't think that red paint on the blade of the sword would add much to the story. Like Jerry said before many modelers pay to much attention to the rider and his ''attributes'' instead of the horse .

Cheers ,

Kurt
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 - 12:07 AM UTC

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Dear Kurt,

Presuming that this project has been completed, please, allow me some advice for your next adventure with horses:
All leather parts on a horse do have a function, so it is all well kept and brought to the right length. Your reins should be straight so there is a direct contact between mouth and rider. No reins, no control!
Stirups are there to give a better position in the saddle. Missing a stirup leads to unstable positioning, thus severely hampering your movements while using your sabre. And that is where you are on the horse: to execute swift and effectfull charges. No stirup, no horse control!
Only short people ( like the Crow native indians in the USA plains) had made riding without stirups to a real art. Taller people, like the Greek, Romans and Mongolians became only dangerously successful in cavalery charges after introducing stirups.

Please, forgive if this sounds too critical. Not intended that way.
But your effort intends to show a thought over dio. Than the details make the difference between good and perfect!

I myself find great inspiration by studying the pieces of Mike Blank from Sweden!
He had done quite some impressive dios with horses.
I am sure he is able to inspire you as well.

Looking forward to see your next mount,

Paul



Hi Paul ,

yes let's call this dio finished shall we ? I appreciate your comments and advice on my topic because i know that you have a lot of experience with horses in real live , so you have my respect for sure.

Please allow me to say something about the scene because i think you are missing the point here although you are technically spoken correct. What i did or tried to do was capturing the moment where horse and rider are no longer capable to continue the battle , one of the stirups is missing so the rider can't keep his balance in the saddle no longer . Moments before they fell on the ground the guy lost his helmet , his armor got beaten up and a bullet fired from a musket rifle wounded his arm etc....

I used my imagination to present the scene the best way i could . But there are certain issues to it that can be improved no doubt about it .

Thank you very much for spending the time giving me comments.

Okay it's time to spend our attention to the horse diorama from Jerry .

Kurt
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