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HB M911 Tractor new pic and price
aleluya
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 11:16 PM UTC
HobbyBoss has posted some new shots of their incoming M911 Sprue preview and the recommend retail price in EU is 115 Euros. Any thought?
Bigred69
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 02:11 AM UTC
Oh Boy, Looks good, if the EU price is correct, it will be a lot cheaper than Mengs!
Wierdy
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 02:22 AM UTC
I don't think these are actual styrene sprues, they look more like CAD-generated images to me.
Meng kit is on pre-order at Hobbyeasy at 110USD, which means they are in the same league regarding the price. Accuracy and value for money are a totally different story, so let's wait until the actual kits hit the market.
Meng kit is on pre-order at Hobbyeasy at 110USD, which means they are in the same league regarding the price. Accuracy and value for money are a totally different story, so let's wait until the actual kits hit the market.
aleluya
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 03:23 AM UTC
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I don't think these are actual styrene sprues, they look more like CAD-generated images to me.
Meng kit is on pre-order at Hobbyeasy at 110USD, which means they are in the same league regarding the price. Accuracy and value for money are a totally different story, so let's wait until the actual kits hit the market.
Hi there. The preorder price o. Hobbyeasy are normally based on Chinese’s price HK currency and RMB but not the retail price in EU nor NA.From what I know. In China the retail price is far more cheaper than Meng one. The actual retail price for EU and NA is here. Euro price Meng 145(139) vs HB 115. NA Meng 150 US dollars vs HB 100 USD.
As for the accuracy. I’m not impressed about what Meng did with their 9A52-2 which totally a joke as they just simply changed the scud model which based on maz7911 into a freak: only the cabin shell is maz543...
Let’s see the final result.
Wierdy
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 03:35 AM UTC
Well, I am not one of those who admire Meng either. If it is good - so be it, if not, HB kit to the rescue! These larger size vehicles kind of suppose to be more accurate than 'normal' kits such as tanks and softskins due to higher prices. You know, you wouldn't buy a 100-150 dollar kit if you are a dummy, occasional hobbyist, but you certainly would if you're a serious modeller. I hope I'm clear.
pgb3476
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:06 AM UTC
Meng kit is 110 US Dollars on Hobbyeasy.
Kenaicop
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 06:08 AM UTC
I want 
armouredcharmer
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:11 PM UTC
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I want
Me Too - Just shut up and take my money!
By the way, what would be seen on the back of this baby?
tanknick22
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:25 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI want
Me Too - Just shut up and take my money!
By the way, what would be seen on the back of this baby?
any load could be a IPM1 ,M1A1 or a Bradley or even a M109 or M113
I have to build one of theses beasts for a commission build
all i can say im glad he didnt want Hobby boss's M1070 HET
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:33 PM UTC
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By the way, what would be seen on the back of this baby?
The M911 C-HET was the predecessor to the current M1070 HETS. It was used from the late '70s until the mid '90s. It carried all sorts of armored vehicles that were in use at the time. It could have any of the vehicles tanknick22 listed or earlier vehicles such as the M60A3, M60A2, etc.
tanknick22
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:55 PM UTC
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Quoted TextBy the way, what would be seen on the back of this baby?
The M911 C-HET was the predecessor to the current M1070 HETS. It was used from the late '70s until the mid '90s. It carried all sorts of armored vehicles that were in use at the time. It could have any of the vehicles tanknick22 listed or earlier vehicles such as the M60A3, M60A2, etc.
so how big will the M911 be when built?
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 06:00 PM UTC
The HB images are definitely sprue CADs, so good to check the level of detail included but better wait for real sprues to really appreciate their quality. The built-up test shots of the Meng kit, seen some weeks back, looked quite nice anyway.
I have been waiting for years a plastic kit of the M911, specially after checking several times the HobbyFan resin offering and deciding it was not worth the prices asked for it. But won't rush now for it, I can perfectly wait a bit more till both companies release their beasts to check and decide.
I have been waiting for years a plastic kit of the M911, specially after checking several times the HobbyFan resin offering and deciding it was not worth the prices asked for it. But won't rush now for it, I can perfectly wait a bit more till both companies release their beasts to check and decide.
HermannB
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 06:20 PM UTC
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so how big will the M911 be when built?
Tractor is 9,3 m long and semitraler 13 m long. I`d say its about 2 feet in scale.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 06:39 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextBy the way, what would be seen on the back of this baby?
The M911 C-HET was the predecessor to the current M1070 HETS. It was used from the late '70s until the mid '90s. It carried all sorts of armored vehicles that were in use at the time. It could have any of the vehicles tanknick22 listed or earlier vehicles such as the M60A3, M60A2, etc.
so how big will the M911 be when built?
Short answer: Big!
Long answer: Didn't take the time to dig up exact numbers but the trailer is about 12.95 metres long and the distance from front bumper to center of the fifth wheel on the tractor is about 7.5 metres. If the trailer length from kingpin to the rear end is set at 12 metres (probably more) we would get a combined length of 55-56 centimetres which would be somewhere around 22 inches ...
It's not small ....
This photo of the Miniart resin kit gives a hint about the size:
A bit more than 2 Abrams tanks, barrel to the rear.
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/ Robin
GeoffSteer
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 07:11 PM UTC
Possible loads: Don't forget that the M911 was in service during the collapse of the Soviet Union and the problems in Yugoslavia. Also, the first Gulf War. So, you could have any Russian equipment abandoned during the withdrawal from various Warsaw Pact countries on the trailer. Or, some of the American WW-II armour still in use found in Yugoslavia. Gulf war; well, I think I can leave that to you!
HTH-
Geoff Steer
HTH-
Geoff Steer
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 08:18 PM UTC
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KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 12:55 AM UTC
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These larger size vehicles kind of suppose to be more accurate than 'normal' kits such as tanks and softskins due to higher prices.
No, they cost more because they have higher design and production costs.
KL
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 01:23 AM UTC
I thought the load limit on the M911 w/ M747 trailer was 60-tons? If so, I don't think an M1A1 could be safely transported...
Wierdy
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 01:26 AM UTC
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Quoted TextThese larger size vehicles kind of suppose to be more accurate than 'normal' kits such as tanks and softskins due to higher prices.
No, they cost more because they have higher design and production costs.
KL
But will they have high sales rate if underresearched and simplified? Those behemoths in big boxes cost a lot and they are not the main profit-makers for manufacturers. IMHO, they are made to demonstrate potential, experience and confidence of design and development team of a particular kit maker, along with their moulding craftsmanship. 'See, that's what we can do!'
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 02:59 AM UTC
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I thought the load limit on the M911 w/ M747 trailer was 60-tons? If so, I don't think an M1A1 could be safely transported...
H.P.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 03:30 AM UTC
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I thought the load limit on the M911 w/ M747 trailer was 60-tons? If so, I don't think an M1A1 could be safely transported...
As you can see from Frenchy's pics, that is what they were used for. They were overweight and that is why the current M1070 HETS was eventually developed. The M911 was a quick, off-the-shelf solution to a new problem; a tank that ended up being heavier than originally designed. That is why the C in C-HET stood for Commercial.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 03:35 AM UTC
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I thought the load limit on the M911 w/ M747 trailer was 60-tons? If so, I don't think an M1A1 could be safely transported...
"With the introduction of M1A1 Abrams main battle tank into service with the US Army, the M911 was unable to carry the load. Vehicles demonstrated poor durability with loads in excess of 60 t during operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Its replacement emerged as the Oshkosh M1070."
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/m911.htm
max load according to Janes is 54545 kg and there should be a safety margin in there somewhere. It was designed for the MBT-70 and fails (after a while) when carrying the M1.
/ Robin
U-mark
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 03:36 AM UTC
I was planning on buying the Meng kit, I'll wait and see how they both look now. If the HobbyBoss kit is anything like their m1070/m1000 it should be good, and the trailer should be an easier build without having to make 40 wheel/tire sets.
Wierdy
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Posted: Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 03:00 PM UTC
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I was planning on buying the Meng kit, I'll wait and see how they both look now.
Here is the Meng kit unboxed:
http://www.moxing.net/2018/0121/8636.html
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