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M915 loading Stryker?
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 08:25 AM UTC
I was stationed at Ft Lewis in the late 90s and remember them carrying two m113s sometimes. Could the Stryker be carried on the m872 trailer?
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 02:56 PM UTC

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I was stationed at Ft Lewis in the late 90s and remember them carrying two m113s sometimes. Could the Stryker be carried on the m872 trailer?



I haven't seen any photos of such combination, but I don't see why not. The M872 is certainly capable of carrying the Stryker.

EDIT: Or maybe not... M872 may be too narrow for Stryker. Stryker is 8 ft 11 in (2.72m) wide, while the trailer is only 8 feet (2.43m) wide. So Stryker may be a bit too wide to be safely transported on M872.
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 02:56 PM UTC
M872 load capacity 34 ton 68000 lbs
Stryker M1126 / M1130 / M1133 : 16.5 ton
M1128 MGS: 18.5 ton

Weight limits would allow two Strykers (only one MGS though, is that weight listed with or without ammo ? )

Length: M872 trailer 490 inches or 40 feet 10 inches
M1126 / M1128: 22 feet 10 inches (hull, no bar armour, MGS gun could stick out a bit).

Size limits:
With two Strykers the trailer would be 58 inches (4 feet 10 inches) too short based on the hull length of the Stryker.
This assumes no clearance between the hulls so say at least 5 feet to get 2 inches of clearance.
The "nose" of the rearmost Stryker could overhang the end of the trailer so that all eight wheels are on the load deck but there could be problems with tiedowns so I wonder if it would be allowed to load two Strykers even if the weights would fit (just) within the limits for the trailer.
/ Robin

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 04:14 PM UTC
Here's what it looks like on a civy trailer :



H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 04:39 PM UTC

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Here's what it looks like on a civy trailer :



H.P.



I think it would look similarly on M872 - so it fits in width, but just barely...
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 05:53 PM UTC

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Here's what it looks like on a civy trailer :



H.P.



I think it would look similarly on M872 - so it fits in width, but just barely...



The width of the Stryker (hull) is listed as 272 cm (107 inches)
and the load bed of the trailer is 267 cm (105 inches)
/ Robin
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 07:17 PM UTC

H.P.[/quote]

I think it would look similarly on M872 - so it fits in width, but just barely...[/quote]

The width of the Stryker (hull) is listed as 272 cm (107 inches)
and the load bed of the trailer is 267 cm (105 inches)
/ Robin
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The width of the actual bed is 105 inches, however the trailer is actually wider - about 107-108 inches. The load bed width does not typically include the tie down rails or stake rails that virtually all trailers have. In the case of the M872, they appear as solid rails as it can take vertical boards that fit into the stake pockets . In Frenchy's picture of a commercial trailer you can see the tie-down rachets mounted on the rail. This is why the Stryker does not really overhang the trailer in the pic. There is of course no issue with this from a capacity or safety standpoint. I've loaded tracked equipment that has more then half the width of the track overhanging each side of the trailer.
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 07:46 PM UTC
Thanks!


So now it is only a question of whether it was actually done or not.
/ Robin
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 08:14 PM UTC
The M915 truck by Trumpeter may be too old for a Stryker. There were still some M915A1s in Army National Guard units in the early 2000s. Strykers were fielded about '02, so it is possible they crossed paths at some point. Most active transportation units had the newer M915A2/A3 by that point though.

Here is one on an M870A3 trailer pulled by an M916A3 (6x6 M915 version) truck.



And its civilian equivalents.


More on civilian flatbeds. No reason it couldn't be on a similar M872 Army flatbed as well.





And on the new TDRT (Tilt Deck Recovery Trailer).

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 08:45 PM UTC
Is the width of 107 inches the width of the hull or from the outer edge of the tires? From the pictures it shows there is some overhang of the hull over the tires.
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 09:16 PM UTC
I got that number from Wikipedia and I would assume that it is the width of the hull. In another list I found different values for the up-armoured and slat-armoured versions so I assume it means the width of the hole needed to drive a Stryker through.
Inside width of the garage doors sort of ...
The outside width of the wheels is narrower.

This pdf-file could be of interest:
https://www.scribd.com/document/272159257/Illustrated-Equipment-Data

Illustrated equipment data. It shows the outside measurements needed for transporting a size reduced item (helo with folded rotors, Ma-Deuce removed from weapon station et.c.)
Strykers are on page 24 to 29. The 107 inches seems to be the narrowest width and goes for M1129 & M1133, the others are wider, the M1126 at 112 inches.

Gino: If you read this, they write: "Ship with turrent baskets in rear position" about the M109A6. On page 15.
There is also the spelling 'sanctions' referring to removable stanchions ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2018 - 09:23 PM UTC
As Robin says, the width is measured at the widest point of the vehicle. On a Stryker, it is the line of the hull just above the wheels.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 02:52 AM UTC
So if the wheels fit securely on the trailer than there shouldn't be much issue. I've seen tracked vehicles with the tracks overhanging the sides of the trailer but tracks don't flex like tires so all the tire should be on the trailer.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 03:44 AM UTC
DANG, wouldn't it be nice to have a civilian semi tractor/trailer in 1/35th ?!? Chrome & bright colors with cammo or sand, good combo !
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