There is not much that i have found in the way of reference photos of the tiger 1 interior that shows me enough of what i need other than the tiger in bovington, which depicts the upper half of being the offwhite/white and the entire lower half being a dark grey. This being a restored tank, i question if the color is 100% reproduced as it was, or if they did it a bit different from what it originally was. I see may folks painting the bottom half from behind the driver seat on back, as the primer red.
So, my question is this, and i am hoping that someone can point me to some decent reference photos, or tell me straight out. the tiger is an early model tiger 1, and i just need something to use as reference so that i can paint the interior, from the transmission on back to the motor.
Help is appreciated, and thanks for any input.
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melonhead
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:28 AM UTC
Kaktusas
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:44 AM UTC
Early tiger should be gray on lower surfaces. All the information you need:
http://byrden.com/panzers/Colours/
Images for reference is difficult matter, not much period interior pictures, and museum pieces are often painted in the interesting way. Theres lots of good pictures in Research squad book on tiger (restoration pictures) too.
http://byrden.com/panzers/Colours/
Images for reference is difficult matter, not much period interior pictures, and museum pieces are often painted in the interesting way. Theres lots of good pictures in Research squad book on tiger (restoration pictures) too.
NoTime
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 05:34 PM UTC
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The officially designated color that David Byrden refers to, RAL 7009, is actually a gray-green, more green than gray. But some Tigers, including the Bovington Tiger, appear to have been painted in a medium blue-gray, at least in the engine compartment. These are not the same colors, and I've seen color photos of unrestored Stug IIIs with one or the other or both.
LifeColor makes an Axis armor interior colors set, and they include their versions of both, referring to RAL 7009 as graugrun and to the blue-gray as lichtblau, RAL 5012.
So you can probably pick either one and be okay.
LifeColor makes an Axis armor interior colors set, and they include their versions of both, referring to RAL 7009 as graugrun and to the blue-gray as lichtblau, RAL 5012.
So you can probably pick either one and be okay.
Byrden
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 06:06 PM UTC
How are you seeing a medium blue-grey colour in Tiger 131's engine compartment?
I am aware of only one colour photo of the compartment before restoration. And the restoration used a slightly different colour of paint to the original.
The colour photo is difficult to read - the paint is about half worn away - but it looks like it can be RAL 7009, to me.
David
I am aware of only one colour photo of the compartment before restoration. And the restoration used a slightly different colour of paint to the original.
The colour photo is difficult to read - the paint is about half worn away - but it looks like it can be RAL 7009, to me.
David
ianalderman
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 06:57 PM UTC
These are the Bovington Tiger pre-restoration, but unfortunately, also from a pre-digital era.
://village.photos/members/Ian-Alderman/Bovington-Tiger-I
You can clearly see the changeover level in the 3rd photo.
HTH
Ian
://village.photos/members/Ian-Alderman/Bovington-Tiger-I
You can clearly see the changeover level in the 3rd photo.
HTH
Ian
Headhunter506
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:19 PM UTC
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I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The officially designated color that David Byrden refers to, RAL 7009, is actually a gray-green, more green than gray. But some Tigers, including the Bovington Tiger, appear to have been painted in a medium blue-gray, at least in the engine compartment. These are not the same colors, and I've seen color photos of unrestored Stug IIIs with one or the other or both.
LifeColor makes an Axis armor interior colors set, and they include their versions of both, referring to RAL 7009 as graugrun and to the blue-gray as lichtblau, RAL 5012.
So you can probably pick either one and be okay.
No, you won't be okay with RAL 5012. You said almost the same thing, referring to Humbrol 115, at Missing-Lynx almost 5 years ago:
RAL 7009 equivalent?
I'll defer to Wenzel Manda's observation. He is, arguably, the foremost authority on RAL colors today and he says that 5012 is wrong. He further states that the color in question is RAL 7009 and the best match is Vallejo 70.830.
This photo of the Bovington Tiger's transmission and some of the interior validate his observation.
http://blog.tiger-tank.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1-1-3641-G5.jpg
NoTime
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:34 PM UTC
Well, to address David first: I believe I saw the same photo of the unrestored Bovington Tiger that you refer to, although I can't find it now, and drew a different conclusion. I also assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the Bovington crew tried to match the original as closely as possible, and the color they used is unarguably a blue-gray. Moreover, although the color interior photos of Tiger 712 in the Research Squad book aren't definitive since there was so much deterioration, I see no traces of anything like RAL 7009, but do see traces of what appears to have been a blue-gray color. The poor condition of the interior make it impossible for me to tell what the color of much of it was.
As for Joseph, you are simply wrong that I "said almost the same thing" in the M-L post you cite. I then merely asked the question of whether there was a match to Humbrol 115 and expressed no opinion, and I did not participate in the resulting thread. I had forgotten, however, Wenzel Manda's post regarding Vallejo 830 as a much closer match to RAL 7009 than Vallejo 972. And I would be inclined to defer to his careful research and reasoning. Why you would feel compelled to go looking through M-L posts as far back as five years is rather mystifying.
As for Joseph, you are simply wrong that I "said almost the same thing" in the M-L post you cite. I then merely asked the question of whether there was a match to Humbrol 115 and expressed no opinion, and I did not participate in the resulting thread. I had forgotten, however, Wenzel Manda's post regarding Vallejo 830 as a much closer match to RAL 7009 than Vallejo 972. And I would be inclined to defer to his careful research and reasoning. Why you would feel compelled to go looking through M-L posts as far back as five years is rather mystifying.
Headhunter506
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 01:01 AM UTC
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Why you would feel compelled to go looking through M-L posts as far back as five years is rather mystifying.
It's mystifying to me that you would think I would actually rummage through old posts to retrieve information. Too cumbersome and time consuming. It's far easier to google search parameters in order to get what I need and your thread came in the results.
NoTime
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 02:18 AM UTC
What's more mystifying is why you would think it's worth that effort. But I care no more about your motivation than I do for your opinion.
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What's more mystifying is why you would think it's worth that effort. But I care no more about your motivation than I do for your opinion.
Aren't you the snowflake. Don't like it when someone disagrees with you? You're right about one thing, though. Your post wasn't worth the effort to merit a response. As for the second part of your reply, the feeling is mutual. You can take your ball and go home now.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 05:13 AM UTC
Hummm. Maybe it is just my perception but I have noticed in the last few months that an edge is devoloping in the forum. I don't really know why. Maybe it is the tone of national politics or the twitter messages that are bleeding over into the forums but I would hope that we could remain for the most part as we have before. There were occational attitudes but for the most part we were cordual and polite. Gruff was not so well tolorated. Please remember when you make you point leave the dig out of it. 
Robbd01
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 05:21 AM UTC
Way to go Jesse, you really got'em all riled up with your question 
Cheers
Darn, I just stepped in it didn't I
Cheers
Darn, I just stepped in it didn't I
brekinapez
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Hummm. Maybe it is just my perception but I have noticed in the last few months that an edge is devoloping in the forum.
It's the new Punk Rock, only instead of the old punk that was aggressive we get a new one that is passive. Instead of lamenting the loss of Carter we are praising the reign of Reagan. People easily get disturbed if an event does not 100% concur with their perceived notion of how it must all go down, if you catch my drift. The slightest deviation becomes a tremendous obstacle where most might notice...nothing. In other words, kids gonna kid amirite?
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Hummm. Maybe it is just my perception but I have noticed in the last few months that an edge is devoloping in the forum. I don't really know why.
Gotta blame Trump!
melonhead
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 10:23 PM UTC
i kinda had a slight thought in my mind that arguments were going to come up, because they always do when it comes to paint.
not necessarily with tigers, but i dont recall what was in the photo, but i do recall seeing the grainy color photos of an interior that did have a greenish lower half. resembled tamiyas field gray, as far as color. now, i am no expert on colors, so i thought it was odd that it was a greenish color as i never knew that was a color option previously up until this point.
also, the gray, or bluish gray that people are mentioning (which i will simply say resembles tamiyas german gray imo), i actually saw on teh bovington tiger in a video, so it wasnt a photo that could really be misrepresented (maybe the lighting is changing the color, but it seems to be gray) but knowing that museums take away from what was originally there, is the real reason why i brought this up to begin with, and i am glad i did. the info from darius, which matches the other responses, was very quite useful.
here is the video that i originally found that has the bottom half with gray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JRx4PkDYg
not necessarily with tigers, but i dont recall what was in the photo, but i do recall seeing the grainy color photos of an interior that did have a greenish lower half. resembled tamiyas field gray, as far as color. now, i am no expert on colors, so i thought it was odd that it was a greenish color as i never knew that was a color option previously up until this point.
also, the gray, or bluish gray that people are mentioning (which i will simply say resembles tamiyas german gray imo), i actually saw on teh bovington tiger in a video, so it wasnt a photo that could really be misrepresented (maybe the lighting is changing the color, but it seems to be gray) but knowing that museums take away from what was originally there, is the real reason why i brought this up to begin with, and i am glad i did. the info from darius, which matches the other responses, was very quite useful.
here is the video that i originally found that has the bottom half with gray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JRx4PkDYg
Byrden
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 10:40 PM UTC
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here is the video that i originally found that has the bottom half with gray
This video was made many years after the restoration. It's not the original paint.
David
melonhead
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 11:37 PM UTC
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Quoted Texthere is the video that i originally found that has the bottom half with gray
This video was made many years after the restoration. It's not the original paint.
David
correct. im well aware of that, and is why i linked it. it is said that bovington, in the restoration, would have done the paint as close to the original as possible, which makes me wonder, if that is true, what was the original color? based on known info, the color of the restoration wouldnt match what it "should" have had to begin with
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