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Interior or no interior?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:15 PM UTC
It has been a recent trend for some companies to add in interior in their kit, to fill in the void inside the tank. What are your opinions?

Personally I quite like to see interiors provided - it's always interesting to see what's inside a tank.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:23 PM UTC
I personally like them as well. I like adding all the details. I also like how companies like MiniArt are offering some of their models with or without the interiors.

Others do not. It is really a personal preferance.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:26 PM UTC
Not every modeler is willing to shell out an extra 20 - 25 bucks for parts they're not planning on using. A compromise could be the basic kit with minimal interior (through the hatch), and a separate interior kit (transmission, fighting compartment, and engine) for that model. Or, simply issue two kits of the same model - one with interior, and one without (or just the minimal interior).
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:29 PM UTC
I love them. In almost every case the kits coming out with interiors are equal or in some cases cheaper in price that their counterpart kits without. Even if they are a little more expensive the added value is enormous when compared to a resin alternative. For those who go on and on about how you can't see it.. fine, don't buy it. Buy one of the other 20 kits that doesn't have interior but don't try to dissuade manufacturers from catering to those of us who like them. I remember vividly back in the day when people got excited about a crude gun breach included in a kit..

Bring on the interiors!:)


-Ken
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:29 PM UTC
Tank interiors (German, at least) tend to be much less documented than exteriors. People simply didn't take many photos in there.

So we can be sold a model that's accurate outside and inaccurate inside. And we probably won't know.

David
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 08:54 PM UTC
I am a huge fan of interiors. It's like getting two kits, in the same box. As for accuracy, that is the reason we have museums. The colors may be a bit more of a guess, but the actual equipment is present.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:22 PM UTC
If you pose the hatches open, you need an interior. Unless you model the vehicle parked in the motor pool, abandoned, or under fire, one or more hatches will be open, hence you need some form of interior. One of my pet peeves is a commander figure sticking out of his hatch, rolling down the road, with the driver's hatches all buttoned up. They should be open, with at least a partial driver's compartment visible and the drivers sticking their heads out for better visibility. I'm not saying full interiors, but at least something to give the impression of an interior of an open hatch beyond the empty space beneath, but not requiring every small detail would be fine in most cases. Some manufacturers have done that with an impression of the main gun in turrets, but very few do the drivers compartment. If manufacturers would supply the basic figure of the crew, that would be great too!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:47 PM UTC

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If you pose the hatches open, you need an interior. Unless you model the vehicle parked in the motor pool, abandoned, or under fire, one or more hatches will be open, hence you need some form of interior. One of my pet peeves is a commander figure sticking out of his hatch, rolling down the road, with the driver's hatches all buttoned up. They should be open, with at least a partial driver's compartment visible and the drivers sticking their heads out for better visibility. I'm not saying full interiors, but at least something to give the impression of an interior of an open hatch beyond the empty space beneath, but not requiring every small detail would be fine in most cases. Some manufacturers have done that with an impression of the main gun in turrets, but very few do the drivers compartment. If manufacturers would supply the basic figure of the crew, that would be great too!
VR, Russ



I build mine as if they would be standing in a motorpool (or a museum) with closed hatches. Miniarts approach to this is brilliant, first they ship the kit with interior and then comes the kit without interior (and a smaller pricetag ...).

I only get upset when there is large windows or other openings and the visible interior is missing or too simplified.

As a viewer of a model built by someone else I would say that interiors add a LOT to the visual interest. They also add a lot of work and that's where I bail out, being a lazy son of gun ...

/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 10:14 PM UTC
I like the options being provided with or without interior. I wish it was interiors were available for more kits, especially light tanks with their larger hatches that leave more of the interior visible. I would add that I also very much like what Tamiya did with the M10, where they included crew figures that actually fit the interior.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:08 PM UTC
For me it is a novelty only. I have the large hatch T 34 76 from AFV because of the interior which is in full display when the hatch is open. However with most tanks a crewman will fill the hatch and no interior will be visible.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:42 PM UTC

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For me it is a novelty only. I have the large hatch T 34 76 from AFV because of the interior which is in full display when the hatch is open. However with most tanks a crewman will fill the hatch and no interior will be visible.



No interiors for me a complete waste of valuable build time unless Im doing a open topped vehicle like a M10,M18 or M36
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 01:46 AM UTC
I do like having this option and wish it was available for some of the kits like the Staghound armored car and M4 Sherman tanks.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 11:53 AM UTC
Back when I built my first tank kits - oh, perhaps 50+ years ago - there were no interiors. Also no internet and little access for most of us to any detailed info on tank interiors. I was always curious as to what the guts looked like...

Spin forward to today. More and more kits come with what amounts to be an additional entire kit (sometimes 2 additional kits - engine and related stuff and inside the fighting compartment) of interior goods. All GOOD, by me!

Does a kit with "full" interior cost more than one with nada under the bonnet or hatches? Yeah - to some degree. (But lets be serious, guys... Modern kits are increasingly expensive - guts or not. But shop around the 'net and web and you, like I, will find the same kit costing an astonishing range of prices. So I can't much endorse any fervent claims that kits with interiors REALLY cost much more than those without - instead, I endorse "you might have to look harder and be a bit more patient to get that interior kit at a nice price".)

But so what if it does cost a bit more? WHY do you build models? For me, it's about the building and sometimes painting. The FUN and "work" of modeling. So, looking at things that way, if I get the interior goodies for 25% more - and get TWICE the modeling fun.... I got a BARGAIN! And so what if it isn't complete nor always accurate? There's the web and books and pics for those who need to add or "fix" stuff (yeah, I do that, too!). And if you don't go look it all up... you won't KNOW whether your guts are accurate or nonsense! Which alters not one jot nor tittle the amount of modeling fun you get putting that stuff together!

So bring them on! And hey! If I don't actually WANT to do all that interior after all... I can usually button down those hatches or drape a tarp over the hole! Choices, friends, CHOICES! ALL GOOD!

Now... If only one of the good companies would kindly trot out a nice, complete, accurate interior in one of those splendid modern Russian tank kits... T-72 / 80 / 90 sorts.! Bet we ALL have a wish list!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 12:50 PM UTC
For those on about not been able to see the detail. You could always do a cut-away, I remember seeing them from the 70'sand 80's with the cutaway area painted red like you see in some blown-up drawings found in some books. Would make an interesting display IMO. I like them! Seeing a 3d rendering of the interiors of these classics is super cool.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 12:58 PM UTC

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As for accuracy, that is the reason we have museums.



They are not a complete solution. If you look at a museum tank, you will see empty holders and fasteners, inside and out. You can check lots of WW2 photos and find the contents of the outside ones. The inside ones may never be known.

David
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 01:20 PM UTC

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As for accuracy, that is the reason we have museums.



They are not a complete solution. If you look at a museum tank, you will see empty holders and fasteners, inside and out. You can check lots of WW2 photos and find the contents of the outside ones. The inside ones may never be known.

David



Could you not cross-check, with service manuals? Germany was very good, at writing everything down.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 02:17 PM UTC

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If you pose the hatches open, you need an interior. Unless you model the vehicle parked in the motor pool, abandoned, or under fire, one or more hatches will be open, hence you need some form of interior. One of my pet peeves is a commander figure sticking out of his hatch, rolling down the road, with the driver's hatches all buttoned up. They should be open, with at least a partial driver's compartment visible and the drivers sticking their heads out for better visibility. I'm not saying full interiors, but at least something to give the impression of an interior of an open hatch beyond the empty space beneath, but not requiring every small detail would be fine in most cases. Some manufacturers have done that with an impression of the main gun in turrets, but very few do the drivers compartment. If manufacturers would supply the basic figure of the crew, that would be great too!
VR, Russ



Commanders and gunners hatches will be closed only when under arty attack or supposedly enemy infantry around is how we did it about 15 years ago (because of the danger coming from above). Being under fire in a tank battle they remained open so as to have pressure equalization when hit. The commanders hatch was always open on the move with him sticking his head out. Drivers hatch again was open only when driving in the motor pool. Because as soon as the drivers hatch opened, the turret mechanisms stalled due to safety reasons (drivers didn't want - for obvious reasons - to have their heads cut off by the turret). Speaking of the Leopard1 and 2 tanks here. So yes, when on the move the drivers hatch was closed 95% of the times indeed whereas the commanders hatch remained open with him sticking his head out and giving warnings for stuff the driver might not see through his periscopes. So we might be good here displaying it that way. Oh yeah, and the commander was coming under cover quickly when there was the danger of snipers... again for obvious reasons

Coming to the question asked in this thread: I totally like the option to have the interior built up, even better when it's provided in the kit. So yes, I'm a big fan of it!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 03:59 PM UTC
I have to agree with Biggles2. Something like Verlinden used to offer in their through the hatch detail sets is perfect. A complete interior is a total waste as far as I am concerned as I don't build models with clear hulls and turrets and most certainly don't build models with "exploded" views, but each to his or her own I suppose.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 05:45 PM UTC

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Could you not cross-check, with service manuals? Germany was very good, at writing everything down.



Those manuals have not all survived. In any case, Germany wasn't as good as you think. The Tiger, for example, didn't get an internal storage manifest until its storage had been redesigned already 3 times.

David
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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 09:22 AM UTC
I do not weigh the presence/absence of an interior included with a kit unless I specifically plan on building the kit to depict an AFV that has either been abandoned or knocked-out. On the other hand having judged models in contests, I also know the importance of having "something" inside that hatch if the modeler is going leave it open. An empty interior seen through an open hatch can be one of the quickest ways of eliminating models when judging.

I have built a few interiors and partial interiors only to become discouraged about just how little can be seen once the kit is completed. Giving my limited modeling time, the next kit with an interior that I build, I am probably only going focus on the areas that I know will probably be seen once the model is completed or can be viewed if I chose to remove the turret rather than focus on every little nook and cranny.

However, the engineer in me remains fascinated with exactly what's all inside the prototypes. It's like when I realized just how thick the armor was on a Tiger II or Abrams - and just how little space was available inside the tanks. I really appreciate the works of those that spend all the time and effort into building/painting a kit with a full interior.
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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 02:39 PM UTC
I like the Min-Art approach, make two versions one with interior one without, so the modeller can choose. Basic interior that can be seen through open hatches is fine, always considering that if you put figures in there you can barely see anything. As I don't make maintenance or wrecked armour dioramas I never use engines (unless they are actually visible from outside). So give the modeller the choice, one with, one without (and those of us on budget will be happy too).
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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 04:45 PM UTC

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It has been a recent trend for some companies to add in interior in their kit, to fill in the void inside the tank. What are your opinions?

Personally I quite like to see interiors provided - it's always interesting to see what's inside a tank.



I am kinda mixed on this issue. At first I was for interiors 100% until I started working on my first kit with a interior, a FlankPanzer II. I just spent 4 hours over several days installing the transmission, driver seat, lower decking, interior detail, armor visor glass, painting and weathering only to see most of it covered up by the decking for the 20mm AA gun. I guess it was good practice for one of the Tiger or Panther kits with interiors, but darn, it was a lot of work just to have that detail covered up and hidden.
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Posted: Thursday, March 22, 2018 - 05:16 PM UTC

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I like the Min-Art approach, make two versions one with interior one without, so the modeller can choose. Basic interior that can be seen through open hatches is fine, always considering that if you put figures in there you can barely see anything. As I don't make maintenance or wrecked armour dioramas I never use engines (unless they are actually visible from outside). So give the modeller the choice, one with, one without (and those of us on budget will be happy too).



I like Interiors where appropriate!

EG Tamiya 1/35 #35132 U.S. M2 Bradley IFV, I went to town detailing this waay before there were PE sets, must finish it sometime...

EG AFV Club LVTP5 with resin interior, hatches open....

EG HobbyBoss 1/35 scale AAVP7A1, all the hatches open, great kit, not so much work to make it pop, inc. broom.

There are others, IBG BEDFORD QLR's & QLB's where it would make sense (to me) to have an interior, others king tiger with interior, not so much.
I view them as another way to add interest to a model.
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