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Assault Models: The Green Berets, Afghanistan
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 01:20 AM UTC


Operator, 3rd Battalion, 20th Special Forces Group, US Army Special Forces ("The Green Berets") Afghanistan, 2011-2012 is one of the latest additions to Assault Models catalogue. After producing the figure in 1/35 scale, the company offered it in 1/16 scale as well... a very welcomed move for all large scale figure modelers.

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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 03:18 AM UTC
Great review and build up, Mario!

Assault Models's figures look great in detail and their poses are excellent.
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 06:03 AM UTC
Excellent detail. Pose not so much. Same comments for 1/35 scale figure apply to this one, which has not been changed.
Sorry, no "operator" is going to grip a pistol like this. Ever.



Even my daughter has better technique.



Tweak it, and you have a winner here. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 06:47 AM UTC
A lot of us older guys use the Weaver Stance or the Modified Weaver Stance. Even minor combat injuries can make using the Isosceles Stance impossible to bear from rotator injuries. I have more doubt of a Spec Ops guy in 2011 using a Glock, they were only adopted in even minor form within the last year and a half or so.
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 06:58 AM UTC
I made more in depth comments bout the 1/35 scale figure's stance. But your point about the modified Weaver stance would be a good one if that's what that's supposed to represent. However, it's a weird isosceles/modified Weaver hybrid. Shoulders AND feet are square to the target, so why drop the support elbow? People can and do shoot well with horrible stances at the range, because it's THE RANGE.
And the grip? It almost wants to be a cup and saucer, but not quite as bad. Still, there would be NO control with that grip whatsoever.
You would almost have to go out of your way to have a weird stance like that - it's not natural. In conjunction with the grip, I'll tell you that was no 20th Grouper posing for that.
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 07:42 AM UTC
Could this figure be used for U.S. S.W.A.T. police?

I thought about it until I saw the big 20th U.S. SOF Group shoulder patch that is molded on. I guess one can sand off the patch details and print a police patch in its place.

I figure leaving off some belt gear and buying some 1/16 spare parts gear might make this figure appear to look like a S.W.A.T. officer. Or does this figure have specific military gear that fixes it to Special Forces? These days with the DoD handing down surplus military uniforms and gear to the U.S. police departments, Special Forces Operators and S.W.A.T. may appear similar.

The 3D scan was supposedly from a Russian male model, not an actual operator.

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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 02:05 AM UTC

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I made more in depth comments bout the 1/35 scale figure's stance. But your point about the modified Weaver stance would be a good one if that's what that's supposed to represent. However, it's a weird isosceles/modified Weaver hybrid. Shoulders AND feet are square to the target, so why drop the support elbow? People can and do shoot well with horrible stances at the range, because it's THE RANGE.

there would be NO control with that grip whatsoever.
You would almost have to go out of your way to have a weird stance like that - it's not natural.


Yes you do see many an odd stance at the range. I do exactly that, my support elbow is bent down and I do go out of my way to do so. My left elbow is unable to straighten out after an injury. The figures pose is not in a combative gesture really. Of all the times I used my handgun in anger I cannot recall having the time to compose myself into such a time consuming pose. It was all one handed and no use of the sights.
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 02:13 AM UTC

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Could this figure be used for U.S. S.W.A.T. police?

might make this figure appear to look like a S.W.A.T. officer. Or does this figure have specific military gear that fixes it to Special Forces? These days with the DoD handing down surplus military uniforms and gear to the U.S. police departments, Special Forces Operators and S.W.A.T. may appear similar.


If you do 'print' a police patch for the shoulder, remember it should be in subdued black/grey/olive. Law Enforcements agencies once did get gear from the DoD but Obama put an end to that well into his term of rule as he saw it as being too militaristic. Since SWAT gear gets little use in could last to this day if it had been DoD donated. But....SWAT is an agency Golden Child. They get a continuous supply of the latest and greatest. Tactical gear makers like Blackhawk and 5.11 actively pursue departments with cheap swag.
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 08:18 AM UTC
Same comments on the pose apply to law enforcement. SWAT operators won't hold the gun like that because of poor control. Also, most any SWAT pistol will have a tac-light. Don't know about the beard for law enforcement as some agencies now allow them, but not too common.
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 11:13 AM UTC
Thanks for the answers.
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 02:48 PM UTC
My issue is with the Serpa holster. I hate that unsafe abomination!
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2018 - 08:26 PM UTC

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Don't know about the beard for law enforcement as some agencies now allow them, but not too common.


All too common, now. In New Zealand most male Police officers have a beard, and / or “ink” (tattoos), and / or a “man bun” or “top knot”. That’s fine if you’re a soccer player, or crim; but as I say to those boys with one, two, or all three, I don’t take you seriously as a cop and I work with you, then the bad guys definitely are not going to. Getting back to the figure, the pose leave me dead.

As for the Sherpa, I prefer my Safariland and guard it jealousy.
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2018 - 11:42 AM UTC

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Getting back to the figure, the pose leave me dead.

As for the Sherpa, I prefer my Safariland and guard it jealousy.


25 years on duty with my Safariland. I preferred it too but then I also shot my entire career military and LEO using the weaver stance. Almost all the SWAT guys on my department have had tacticool beards for near a decade. SWAT is typically the realm of the undercover narco boys and they appear always wearing full face masks. The figures pose just doesn't seem that much of an issue to me. Don't these resin figures take to basic surgery and customizing? Besides no matter what others say, no two cops shoot the same let alone in perfect tacticool style.
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2018 - 08:54 PM UTC

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Don't know about the beard for law enforcement as some agencies now allow them, but not too common.


As for the Sherpa, I prefer my Safariland and guard it jealousy.


Sherpa or Serpa 😂 ? Yep - Safariland is where it’s at. They even make a 7TS for the Browning 9mm.
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