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My First Snows of the Year
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Posted: Friday, July 10, 2020 - 04:30 AM UTC

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Brilliant idea G, the crew ripping curtain out of the window & tying the whole scene together literally – genius



Hi Tim,

Thanks, though I can't take all the credit, Cheyenne posted me a couple of pics right back at the beginning of this build showing Churchill under the sheets...that's the tank, not the great man himself, ...and they were my inspiration.

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 05:12 AM UTC
Hi all,

Some slight progress, I've dry fitted the basic roof shape to see how it'll look when finished...the buildings are still separate from both the base and each other so as to allow me to work on them as necessary. I will still need to add tiles, fascia etc, as well as snow build up.

I've also started on the first two crew figures, one guy will be in the process of finishing off wrapping torn sheet around the gun barrel, the other is giving him instructions (see images below).











I envisage a third crew member in the process of draping a sheet over the rear left stowage in an attempt at breaking up the starkness of the tarpaulin covered stowage. A fourth figure is likely to be coming out of the stone building with an arm full of sheets.

Not sure about the fifth chap, maybe breaking ice on the water pump in preparation for getting a brew on.

If anyone has any other possible thoughts on crew positions/actions please feel free to comments.

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 05:34 AM UTC

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Hi all,

Some slight progress, I've dry fitted the basic roof shape to see how it'll look when finished...the buildings are still separate from both the base and each other so as to allow me to work on them as necessary. I will still need to add tiles, fascia etc, as well as snow build up.

I've also started on the first two crew figures, one guy will be in the process of finishing off wrapping torn sheet around the gun barrel, the other is giving him instructions (see images below).











I envisage a third crew member in the process of draping a sheet over the rear left stowage in an attempt at breaking up the starkness of the tarpaulin covered stowage. A fourth figure is likely to be coming out of the stone building with an arm full of sheets.

Not sure about the fifth chap, maybe breaking ice on the water pump in preparation for getting a brew on.

If anyone has any other possible thoughts on crew positions/actions please feel free to comments.

Cheers, ,

G



Great progress report and all is looking brilliant so far as usual. I like all the poses/activities so far and also the suggested upcoming ones as well. Might be hard to bring off the chap braking ice though. Another idea is maybe carrying an armload of scrap wooden debris with the trusty brew pot in the other hand?
Forgive me,but as in the movies,most of the time you must make things pretty obvious. Modern folks have short attention spans. Now...what were we talking about ?
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 06:40 AM UTC
Gareth,

All good stuff - though I would still maintain you need to apply at least some markings ("What, Why, Where" etc etc).

And please don't forget that even casually dumped cam nets still need to be secured - otherwise they will simply fall off when the vehicle moves. Also, if the item is secured it needs to be secured to something so please check lashing down points etc.

Sorry if this sounds like a bollocking (and you know where I'm coming from) but keep at it.

Brian
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 06:53 PM UTC
Very nice progress... The chap standing must be an officer!!! He also migh be scolding the other bloke for standing on the BESA!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 03:37 AM UTC
Great progress again, looks superb. Other ideas for figures – could one be on the tank stretching up to rip the curtain down or is it too far? Not that the cold needs any more emphasis but maybe one could be trying to warm his hands up under his armpits or holding a mug of tea...or playing a banjo… or all 3 at once
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 04:46 AM UTC

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Great progress report and all is looking brilliant so far as usual. I like all the poses/activities so far and also the suggested upcoming ones as well. Might be hard to bring off the chap braking ice though. Another idea is maybe carrying an armload of scrap wooden debris with the trusty brew pot in the other hand?
Forgive me,but as in the movies,most of the time you must make things pretty obvious. Modern folks have short attention spans. Now...what were we talking about ?
LoL
J



Hi Jerry,

Thank you for the feedback, you make a good point regarding attention spans, , and conveying the act of breaking such a small element of ice, .

Your alternative suggestion is an excellent one, thank you, .

Cheers, .

G
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 04:51 AM UTC

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Gareth,

All good stuff - though I would still maintain you need to apply at least some markings ("What, Why, Where" etc etc).

And please don't forget that even casually dumped cam nets still need to be secured - otherwise they will simply fall off when the vehicle moves. Also, if the item is secured it needs to be secured to something so please check lashing down points etc.

Sorry if this sounds like a bollocking (and you know where I'm coming from) but keep at it.

Brian



Hi Brian,

Good to hear from you, your feedback is always appreciated, and never taken as anything other than constructive criticism of my laziness when it comes to certain aspects of our hobby...so always feel free to comment, it's always welcome, .

I've taken onboard your points and attempted to address them to some extent.

Cheers, ,

G

p.s. when are you going to share some pictures of your excellent work with us all, ?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 04:55 AM UTC

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Very nice progress... The chap standing must be an officer!!! He also might be scolding the other bloke for standing on the BESA!



Hi Erwin,

You make a good point regarding the BESA, I have tried an alternative position (in a post below) which I'm not entirely happy with, but might work.

However, do you, or anyone else know whether standing on the armoured mount of the BESA would have been done, or is it a definite no-no?

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 05:03 AM UTC

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Great progress again, looks superb. Other ideas for figures – could one be on the tank stretching up to rip the curtain down or is it too far? Not that the cold needs any more emphasis but maybe one could be trying to warm his hands up under his armpits or holding a mug of tea...or playing a banjo… or all 3 at once



Hi Tim,

Thank you, that's a great idea, I think it might just about be feasible, though I'm not sure I could pull off the animation to make it work...it might be a Mr. Rutman special and a reach too far for this ol' banjo playing country boy, .

Actually, I couldn't play the banjo if my life depended on it, , at junior school they wouldn't even let me play the triangle as I was always out of rhythm, .

Cheers, ,

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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 05:17 AM UTC
Hi all,

Spent a couple of hours trying to address a few of the points raised above, i.e. tie-downs, markings and standing on machine guns, , (see images below).











It surprises me how much time it can take to find some natural tie-down points, especially after stowage has been added, ...will give it more consideration before positioning stowage on my next build, .

The tie-downs for the left rear mud/track guard stowage has been positioned as if undone whilst the white sheet is being positioned.

Not entirely happy with the location of the chap hanging over the gun barrel, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Great progress again, looks superb. Other ideas for figures – could one be on the tank stretching up to rip the curtain down or is it too far? Not that the cold needs any more emphasis but maybe one could be trying to warm his hands up under his armpits or holding a mug of tea...or playing a banjo… or all 3 at once



Now that would be an interesting sight... Would you mind to show us how this is done on a figure?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 05:23 AM UTC

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Great progress again, looks superb. Other ideas for figures – could one be on the tank stretching up to rip the curtain down or is it too far? Not that the cold needs any more emphasis but maybe one could be trying to warm his hands up under his armpits or holding a mug of tea...or playing a banjo… or all 3 at once



Now that would be an interesting sight... Would you mind to show us how this is done on a figure?



Hi Erwin,

Having seen Tims' Operation Anthropoid diorama I reckon he could pull off all three at once, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 06:03 AM UTC
I like this more than the previous location of the figure. I would not think of standing on a weapon that at a certain moment might save my life... The officer needs another viewpoint too, as it is looking at nothing at the moment. Maybe at the future guy pulling at the curtains??

I know Tim can do miracles, that is why I would like to see him work his own proposition out...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 06:01 PM UTC
Ah now I see what you did there, flattery will get you nowhere…



…on the other hand…Soldier: check (OK so it’s winter on Iwo Jima), Banjo pickin’: check (the advanced method), Tea: check, Armpit: kinda…I reckon that’s enough for you or Jerry to frankenfigure it, I’m too busy unpacking & posting weird replies
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 09:15 PM UTC
Though dressed up as a soldier, John Wayne cannot be called one But I give you credits for your orginality...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 09:36 PM UTC
Yep , like the new arrangement G , looks doable !

Oh and Tim , ........... shut down the program and step away from the computer , ..... slowly ......



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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:03 AM UTC

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Ah now I see what you did there, flattery will get you nowhere…



…on the other hand…Soldier: check (OK so it’s winter on Iwo Jima), Banjo pickin’: check (the advanced method), Tea: check, Armpit: kinda…I reckon that’s enough for you or Jerry to frankenfigure it, I’m too busy unpacking & posting weird replies



Hi Tim,

Knew you'd manage to accomplish your mission, should you choose to accept it...cue burning fuse, .

Cheers, ,

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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:07 AM UTC

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I like this more than the previous location of the figure. I would not think of standing on a weapon that at a certain moment might save my life... The officer needs another viewpoint too, as it is looking at nothing at the moment. Maybe at the future guy pulling at the curtains??

I know Tim can do miracles, that is why I would like to see him work his own proposition out...



Hi Erwin,

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, much appreciated, .

And as for Tim...didn't he do well...delivered in my best Bruce Forsyth impression, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:11 AM UTC

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Yep , like the new arrangement G , looks doable !

Oh and Tim , ........... shut down the program and step away from the computer , ..... slowly ......



Hi Cheyenne,

Thanks for thumbs up on revised locations, .

Your 'step away' comment made me smile, I'm amazed Tim has the spare time considering all the gardening he's currently undertaking, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 04:36 AM UTC
Hi all,

Not had much chance to work on this project recently, but managed a couple of hours today working on the Churchill. I've given it a general overall 'snowy' covering, whilst trying to make the engine deck look 'slushy', my thoughts being that the snow would probably melt here due to the heat of the engines radiating through (see images below).















I'm trying to blend the Churchill in with the overall base (see images below).









I'm working on the basis that a tank is generally a big hunk of metal and, as such, would have large areas that would be very cold and therefore snow would settle...apart from aforementioned the engine deck.

How accurate I am I have no idea, so if anyone has experience of tanks under snowy conditions and cares to help guide me, please feel free to critique as you see fit, .

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 06:53 AM UTC
Looks very convincing to me for sure. I am tempted to get a coat on,even though it's blazing hot outside today!
You have no idea how cold it gets inside an armoured vehicle and also how damp it gets,with all the moisture from the crews' breathing. A welcome relief was to take the engine cover off briefly inside and get some engine heat going. But I don't know if a Chruchy had that feature.
Nice work !
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 12:28 PM UTC
Looks great.
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Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 11:59 PM UTC
Fantastic G you’ve done a brilliant job already, love all the details like the snowdrift in the bouquet er bucket. About the engine deck, it looks dry when I’d agree heat would’ve melted any ice/snow on it, so maybe it needs some touches/streams of PVA/white glue to suggest water run-off…problem there being it might look like ice instead…hmm. Well anyhoo it was good of Glenn to allow me back to my keyboard long enough to


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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 02:04 AM UTC

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Fantastic G you’ve done a brilliant job already, love all the details like the snowdrift in the bouquet er bucket. About the engine deck, it looks dry when I’d agree heat would’ve melted any ice/snow on it, so maybe it needs some touches/streams of PVA/white glue to suggest water run-off…problem there being it might look like ice instead…hmm. Well anyhoo it was good of Glenn to allow me back to my keyboard long enough to


Thanks for "keeping up appearances" umm....Richard ?
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