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Can Anyone Tell Me About Mr. Surfacer?
long_tom
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 09:25 AM UTC
I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 09:55 AM UTC
It's best used as a filler. There are different grades, 500 and up. 500 is the most coarse.

It shrinks significantly when it dries and takes overnight to cure completely. So I only use it for small faults. often you will need to fill small faults more than once. It sands easily.

Some guys use the finer grades as primer and love it. It requires significantly thinning, and because it has some abrasive properties recommend using only an old airbrush.

HTH
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 10:27 AM UTC
Mr Surfacer 500 in the jar can be used to add texture to tank hulls and corrosion on exhausts,just brush it on and dapple it with an old brush
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 01:20 PM UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGyIrQfhoGI

I looked up this video. But I'm not sure of the cleaner he is referring to.
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 03:59 PM UTC
You can "reactivate" a jar if it has dried out a bit using lacquer thinner. I have an old jar of MS500 that I still use for brush application this way.

I use MS1500 as my go-to primer/surfacer, thinned with a bit over 50% Mr Levelling Thinner. I have Grey, Black and White to use depending on the top coat colour,



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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2020 - 04:48 PM UTC
I'm a frequent user of Mr. Surfacer 500.I use Ammonia(from Diy store) to rehydrate it.
And like Damian,I use Mr. Surfacer 1500 with Mr. Color Levelling Thinner as my first choice primer.

HTH,
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 04:12 AM UTC

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Mr Surfacer 500 in the jar can be used to add texture to tank hulls and corrosion on exhausts,just brush it on and dapple it with an old brush



Ditto!

Can be used to replicate the cast texture of many a tank, i.e., the hull/turret of a M47, as just one example.
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 04:25 AM UTC

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I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?



Lots of good responses about Mr Surfacer. I'm a little confused about your question. I *think* you want to add build-up from a weld around a place where you've attached a handle or rail? I wouldn't use it to attach such a piece. I might use mr surf 500 to build something up by dabbing it on with a very small brush.

Regards,
Phil
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 09:40 AM UTC

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I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?



Lots of good responses about Mr Surfacer. I'm a little confused about your question. I *think* you want to add build-up from a weld around a place where you've attached a handle or rail? I wouldn't use it to attach such a piece. I might use mr surf 500 to build something up by dabbing it on with a very small brush.

Regards,
Phil


I have both a T-34/85 and a M26 Pershing on hold, and both kits have places that need to be filled in where you cannot place modelling putty. Both tanks also have some rough welded areas too.
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 10:02 AM UTC

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I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?



Lots of good responses about Mr Surfacer. I'm a little confused about your question. I *think* you want to add build-up from a weld around a place where you've attached a handle or rail? I wouldn't use it to attach such a piece. I might use mr surf 500 to build something up by dabbing it on with a very small brush.

Regards,
Phil


I have both a T-34/85 and a M26 Pershing on hold, and both kits have places that need to be filled in where you cannot place modelling putty. Both tanks also have some rough welded areas too.



Hard to say about the filler thing. For filling mounting holes that I no longer need I use perfect plastic putty. Dab it on with a brush, let it dry, then wipe off the excess with a wet cotton bud. I think you could use mr surfacer for that, but it's a little more difficult for that I think. I'm not sure about weld seams. I melt styrene rod with tamiya extra thin and use a knife to make the texture in it. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully.

Regards,
Phil
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 10:51 AM UTC

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I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?



Lots of good responses about Mr Surfacer. I'm a little confused about your question. I *think* you want to add build-up from a weld around a place where you've attached a handle or rail? I wouldn't use it to attach such a piece. I might use mr surf 500 to build something up by dabbing it on with a very small brush.

Regards,
Phil


I have both a T-34/85 and a M26 Pershing on hold, and both kits have places that need to be filled in where you cannot place modelling putty. Both tanks also have some rough welded areas too.



Hard to say about the filler thing. For filling mounting holes that I no longer need I use perfect plastic putty. Dab it on with a brush, let it dry, then wipe off the excess with a wet cotton bud. I think you could use mr surfacer for that, but it's a little more difficult for that I think. I'm not sure about weld seams. I melt styrene rod with tamiya extra thin and use a knife to make the texture in it. Not sure if this helps, but hopefully.

Regards,
Phil



Same thing with Mr Surfacer,except Its cleans up with Lacquer thinner on a bud,the problem is you need multiple applications because it shrinks when it cures.Perfect Plastic putty is better for hole filling.
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 11:27 PM UTC
It's long seam rather than hole filling. I guess Mr. Surfacer would be the best for those spots.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 12:59 AM UTC

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I remember reading about it as a way to apply to welded joints, such as grab rods to tank sides, but when I bought some at a hobby shop years ago I found it unusable, but that might have been an old bottle. Can anyone tell me more about buying and using it?



Lots of good responses about Mr Surfacer. I'm a little confused about your question. I *think* you want to add build-up from a weld around a place where you've attached a handle or rail? I wouldn't use it to attach such a piece. I might use mr surf 500 to build something up by dabbing it on with a very small brush.

Regards,
Phil



When I'm roughing up the texture of a turret/hull...and there are grab handles in the same area, I replace them with correct size metal rod (using CA). In this case, for the M47, .010 brass rod is used for the handles. Then using a small brush, add/dab a small amount of Mr Surfacer to the end of the rod to replicate the welded root of the handle. The rest of the turret, in the photo, is also treated with Mr Surfacer to replicate the roughness of the casting (which is very weak, if not downright missing, from both the Testors, and Takom, kits). Click on photo to enlarge.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 05:00 AM UTC
The great thing about Mr Surfacer and Mr Dissolved Putty is that even if they go completely hard (as in they rattle when you shake the bottle), you can resurrect them by adding Gunze’s lacquer thinner. Don’t waste the levelling stuff on it though.