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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 09:42 AM UTC
I know that many American Jeeps were imported to other countries. I know that the British military refers to Land Rovers as "jeeps". I asked in the past about the use of Jeeps in the Tintin comics, which turned out to be copies of American ones.

So what did other nations use, outside the Soviet bloc?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 10:03 AM UTC
Never heard Landrovers being referred to as Jeeps. If they are called anything other than landrovers they are called 'Landys'.

The British tended to refer to Jeeps as 'Bantams' during WWII (a reflection of the original manufacturer. Post-war they rapidly introduced the Landrover (early versions served during the latter part of the Korean War) and they also used the much more complex Austin Champ (great vehicle but retired fairly quickly as being over-engineered for the role). The Landrover is still in service today (as the XD Wolf).



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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 10:04 AM UTC
Well, you've got the Mercedes Wolf, used by Germany and other western European nations, and the US.

In Korea I've seen the Kia KM 131.

African and Middle Eastern countries seem to favor the UAZ 469 quite a bit. So does India.

And China has a close copy, the BJ212 that they export as well.

But my favorite I've seen overseas has to be in the P.I. The ubiquitous Jeepney.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 10:41 AM UTC
Sweden used these:

The bodywork was derived from a Volvo taxi and given a 4x4 chassis and a new front end, brutal things, could take down small trees (2850 kg + 500 kg load)
For size comparison:



and then we got these


which were also used in this form as carriers for recoilless rifles:


succeded by the modernised:


then came the Mercedes G-wagen


After WWII we got surplus jeeps and WC (Dodge)

Open topped vehicles are fine in the summer but when temperatures start dropping down to 0 Fahrenheit they are not so "hot" anymore. Who cares if it gets a little warm for a few weeks in July as long as we don't freeze our butts off during the chilly season.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 11:02 AM UTC

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...But my favorite I've seen overseas has to be in the P.I. The ubiquitous Jeepney.



Shameless plug. Not the colorful one though.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 12:41 PM UTC

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Sweden used these:

The bodywork was derived from a Volvo taxi and given a 4x4 chassis and a new front end, brutal things, could take down small trees (2850 kg + 500 kg load)
For size comparison:



and then we got these


which were also used in this form as carriers for recoilless rifles:


succeded by the modernised:


then came the Mercedes G-wagen


After WWII we got surplus jeeps and WC (Dodge)

Open topped vehicles are fine in the summer but when temperatures start dropping down to 0 Fahrenheit they are not so "hot" anymore. Who cares if it gets a little warm for a few weeks in July as long as we don't freeze our butts off during the chilly season.



Ah, fourth one down - Volvo LL3304. I began a scratchbuild using an M38A1. Now I want to go finish it.

Tat - great Jeepney! Did you build that?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 01:30 PM UTC

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...Tat - great Jeepney! Did you build that?



Thanks Robert! -- yes, a campaign entry a few years back. Used an Italeri kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 01:49 PM UTC

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Never heard Landrovers being referred to as Jeeps. If they are called anything other than landrovers they are called 'Landys'.

The British tended to refer to Jeeps as 'Bantams' during WWII (a reflection of the original manufacturer. Post-war they rapidly introduced the Landrover (early versions served during the latter part of the Korean War) and they also used the much more complex Austin Champ (great vehicle but retired fairly quickly as being over-engineered for the role). The Landrover is still in service today (as the XD Wolf).





The Dr. Who military article that was linked to recently referred to obvious Land Rovers as "jeeps". As far as I know the British never used American Jeeps when they had their own small vehicles.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 05:19 PM UTC
French Delahaye VLR :


Italian Fiat Campagnola :



and Alfa-Romeo 1900M :



German DKW Munga :



British Austin Champ :



.......

H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 08:01 PM UTC

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The Dr. Who military article that was linked to recently referred to obvious Land Rovers as "jeeps". As far as I know the British never used American Jeeps when they had their own small vehicles.



You're relying on an article about Dr Who as a valid research source?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 08:53 PM UTC
As John T said the UK has never referred to the Landrover as a jeep. We usually just say Landy, Lanny or just " go and get the Rover"...

Any reference to anything British military shown or how it's portrayed in the dreaded Dr Who is usually very wide of the mark, and put in the show by a person who has no clue whatsoever. And don't start me on about the shapes of the berets !!!!

On a side note, Tom's original question about jeeps of the world would be a great little campaign... Jeeps/ small 4/4 utility vehicles of the world ???
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 09:09 PM UTC
The Dutch contribution to the world of Jeeps: the DAF YA 66.
1.200 of these were made for the Dutch army.

Powered by a modest 1.100 cc four cylinder engine, cross country performance came courtesy of low weight, not torque.

Picture by Alex Miedema's digital museum: https://www.alexmiedema.nl/category/het-digitaal-museum/

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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 11:00 PM UTC
Reminds me of the French Citroen Méhari (which was only a 4x2, fitted with an air-cooled 602 cc flat-twin engine..) :



Many were used as driving school cars, like the one above (white stripe on the engine hood)

H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 - 11:05 PM UTC

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The Dr. Who military article that was linked to recently referred to obvious Land Rovers as "jeeps". As far as I know the British never used American Jeeps when they had their own small vehicles.



You're relying on an article about Dr Who as a valid research source?


The article did mention in detail about how UNIT uniforms were often in violation of British military regulations of the era-the outdated uniforms, the wrong insignia, the wrong shoe colors, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart have overlong hair, and so on. "The Bridge Over The River Kwai" and David Lean's "Lawrence Of Arabia" were quite inaccurate as well.

The article BTW: https://unituniforms.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-golden-years-1971-1975.html
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 01:03 AM UTC
When I was young, VW revived the kubelwagen as the "VW Thing" in the US. That'd be an interesting kitbash! I'd be up for a campaign...
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 01:32 AM UTC
A small military utility/4x4 campaign would be good..say below 2500kg and utility only.....no heavy gun or weapon platforms - people only..

Some one take the plunge lol
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 04:45 AM UTC

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When I was young, VW revived the kubelwagen as the "VW Thing" in the US. That'd be an interesting kitbash! I'd be up for a campaign...


It only resembled the WW2 version. Structurally it was very different.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 09:00 AM UTC

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When I was young, VW revived the kubelwagen as the "VW Thing" in the US. That'd be an interesting kitbash! I'd be up for a campaign...


It only resembled the WW2 version. Structurally it was very different.



True, and being a civvie ride it had to have the usual H&S accessories that were definitely NOT part of its ancestor, but it looked the part to my teenage eyes! I wonder how much plastic surgery it would take to turn a 1:35 kubel into a decent replica of a VW Thing if nobody looked underneath? But that would certainly violate the proposed under 2500kg rule I suspect...
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 09:16 AM UTC
Limiting my response to vehicles I've actually seen, I absolutely forgot the Trabant 601 Kübel, otherwise known as the Grenztrabi. Sure saw plenty of them back in the day.
In fact, I still have a 1/35 one for sale if anyone wants it. Pretty rare kit.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 10:33 AM UTC

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The Dr. Who military article that was linked to recently referred to obvious Land Rovers as "jeeps". As far as I know the British never used American Jeeps when they had their own small vehicles.



You're relying on an article about Dr Who as a valid research source?


I have seen the episode in question, and yes, David Tennant refers to a Land Rover as a "jeep" (and yes, I thought it was peculiar, too). Since then I've also heard it used in other BBC productions shown on this side of the pond. The speakers were civilians, in all cases. Presumably, the military would use more correct terminology.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 10:47 AM UTC
Civilians are notorious for getting things wrong.

They call magazines "clips", Bradleys "tanks", and periods of limited visibility "night".
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 06:18 PM UTC
Dont forget the M38A1, Japanese Type 73 (old and new) VW Type 181.M151. Marine Mighty Mite. CUCVs?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 06:39 PM UTC

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Civilians are notorious for getting things wrong.

They call magazines "clips", Bradleys "tanks", and periods of limited visibility "night".



That's why we have 'limited visibility goggles' to see better in limited visibility ....
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Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 06:46 PM UTC
Laffly V 10 M



4-wheel drive
4-wheel steering
One prototype built in 1939
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2020 - 08:26 AM UTC

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Never heard Landrovers being referred to as Jeeps. If they are called anything other than landrovers they are called 'Landys'.




Perhaps the Irish are less reverent went referring to British vehicles. In The Siege of Jadotville the Commander tells the Company Sergeant "Take this Jeep to Elisabethville..."

Seems like someone on the crew should have taken offence to that, if not the military advisers who worked on the movie.