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M107/M110/M578 Question
HermannB
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 07:09 AM UTC
I found this old Roco Minitank catalogue.

https://conradantiquario.info/content/katalog/roco-minitanks-1979-1980.html

If you go forward, you will see various member of the M110 family. Among them are vehicles called Kranpanzer (Cranetanks).
Could anyone confirm the existence of these are are they just a work of fiction?
stikpusher
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 07:14 AM UTC
The M578 was real. They were in every US Mech and Armored unit equipped with tracked vehicles. The T120 and T121 vehicle’s were likely prototypes that lead into the M578.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 08:44 AM UTC



"
The same chassis as the T236 203mm (8-inch) SP artillery was used for the T119 wrecker recovery vehicle, as well as 155mm and 175mm guns. This photo is the T119 circa 1959. In place of the weapon, the turret bearing supporting structure mounts a 10-foot, 10-inch non-extending boom which revolves 360 degrees and has a lifting capacity of 30,000 pounds. The towing winch, mounted on the turret bearing supporting structure, develops a single line pull of 60,000 pounds. The wrecker carries a crew of three men -- the driver, the boom operator, and the rigger.
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The T120 was standartized as the M578.

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 08:49 AM UTC

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The M578 was real. They were in every US Mech and Armored unit equipped with tracked vehicles. The T120 and T121 vehicle’s were likely prototypes that lead into the M578.



I trained on the M110/M107 platforms, and we had two M578's in the motor pool. Only saw them used once, and they were pulling the power pack to get to something else. They said they had an M88, but it was broke down (an old gas engine one at that). We changed tracks on an 8" as part of our training, and used a 578 to off load the new tracks. Changed a 175 gun barrel in the field, and believe it or not they used two ten ton wreckers instead. Why I don't know, and there were 578's to be used. In RVN, they almost always did it with ten ton wreckers as well. Hard to believe that was almost 53 years ago!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 10:10 AM UTC
Think I have quite a few of them in my dads attic somewhere.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:39 PM UTC
I have a few in my display cabinet still, painted up when I was young
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 03:54 PM UTC

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I found this old Roco Minitank catalogue.

https://conradantiquario.info/content/katalog/roco-minitanks-1979-1980.html

If you go forward, you will see various member of the M110 family. Among them are vehicles called Kranpanzer (Cranetanks).
Could anyone confirm the existence of these are are they just a work of fiction?


Verlinden once offered a resin M578 conversion in 1/35th for the Italeri kits. Turns up on Ebay once in a while.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 06:05 PM UTC

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Verlinden once offered a resin M578 conversion in 1/35th for the Italeri kits. Turns up on Ebay once in a while.


PerfectScale Modellbau sell their own conversion set in two versions: with or without superstructure (turret?...) interior.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 07:49 PM UTC

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Verlinden once offered a resin M578 conversion in 1/35th for the Italeri kits. Turns up on Ebay once in a while.


PerfectScale Modellbau sell their own conversion set in two versions: with or without superstructure (turret?...) interior.



sell should be sold.
It has been out of production for a while,
I hope it comes back again ....
Reforger-Victim
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 10:47 PM UTC
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sell should be sold.
It has been out of production for a while,
I hope it comes back again ....[/quote]

Hopefully it would have a corrected interior in this case...
HermannB
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 04:06 AM UTC
I build the Verlinden release in the early 1990 after I saw the creal one on REFORGER 88. My first multi-media kit. Was hefty expensive then, about 115 Deutsche Mark. For comparison, the M110 base was about 30 Deutsche Mark.
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 04:53 AM UTC
I‘ve still that Verlinden beast in my stash. One day it will be built...


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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 06:45 AM UTC
Just for the record (from Fred W. Crismon's U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles book) :




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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 03:44 AM UTC
I also built an M578. And like others I started out with the Verlinden kit, but immediately replaced it with the PSM version when that came out. I really didn't like the fact that the cab on the Verlinden set was a single solid block of resin.

And as mentioned, I observed quite a few "discrepancies" with the PSM when comparing it to photos of the real vehicle which I corrected.

If you're interested, here's the thread from seven years ago, although I think to see the photos, you'll have to click on the link which takes you to the Photobucket site where the photos are.

http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=207406#1740566
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 05:22 AM UTC
Hi Tom, I ve already seen your work a few years ago. It s by far the best M578 in 1/35 I ve seen. I used psm kit and verlinden kit and made one kit of the. Verlinden has the netter crane parts.. Psm the netter turret. Many incorrect parts especially in interior..