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Indo-Pakistani War 1971
ChiefGunner
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 11:12 AM UTC
Hi all

During the Indo-Pakistani War, several T-54 or T-55 of Indian Army were used with fake smoke extractors and fuel drums in turret and rear.
Questions:
- Were they T-54 or T-55?
- How the drums are fixed in the turret?
- The fume extractor are fake?

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ttwells
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 11:35 AM UTC
found this picture on Bing search

https://img.etimg.com/photo/56124150/1971-indo-pak-war-tank-bccl.jpg
ChiefGunner
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 11:43 AM UTC
Hi Ted

Thanks.

This is a T-55?

Regards
Removed by original poster on 09/18/20 - 10:40:38 (GMT).
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 02:38 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi all

During the Indo-Pakistani War, several T-54 or T-55 of Indian Army were used with fake smoke extractors and fuel drums in turret and rear.
Questions:
- Were they T-54 or T-55?
- How the drums are fixed in the turret?
- The fume extractor are fake?

Best raegrds


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971#/media/File:T-55_tanks_in_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War.jpg
This is a Wikipedia image of a T-55 with a dummy bore evacuator at the midpoint of the barrel, simulating the British 20 pounder seen on Centurions.
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 02:40 PM UTC
Hello Chief,

From what I can remember, the Indian Army used two (2) regiments of T54 and T55 tanks whilst the Pakistani Army utilized Type 59ís during the 1971 war. I believe that the Sherman, AMX-13 and Centurions were used as well.

In order to avoid fratricide, the Indian Army mounted a large drum or barrel to the rear of their turrets and a smaller but noticeable barrel to the main guns.

Respectfully,

Allen
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 08:30 PM UTC
Just a few period pics :













Full size

Some tanks retained their fake extractor after the war.




This picture has been taken at the army's firing range in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra on 02 January 2006 :



Looks like there are several variants of the fake extractor, and its location varies as well...



H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 11:57 PM UTC
Great pictures. However the last three tanks seem to have 105mm L7 barrels, so they might undergo a similar upgrade like Tiran 4/5.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 01:35 AM UTC
The fake bore evacuator and oil drum at the turret tear, were to distinguish them from T-54/ 55's in Pakistani service.
Removed by original poster on 09/18/20 - 15:17:59 (GMT).
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 03:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Great pictures. However the last three tanks seem to have 105mm L7 barrels, so they might undergo a similar upgrade like Tiran 4/5.



You may be right...So the captions were wrong They indeed look like upgraded T-55's (Project Gulmohar) such as this one :



https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/t-55.htm

H.P.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 07:30 PM UTC

The visual differences that can be seen from front/side photos are the cupola for the air outlet on the turret, on T-54 only, and a protective half rim around the commander's cupola, that should be absent on T-54, or made with a welded curved bar, while on T-55s this rim was merged into the cupola's casting.
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2020 - 04:07 AM UTC
Hi
Many thanks to all for the great help.

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